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Old 07-24-2013, 07:25 PM   #136
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No, that means that Disney can not fill Ships during the school year from the Houston/Galveston area without the draw of a major, adjacent theme park.

We live 71 miles from the Island and we could not make a cruise work that did not conflict with the school schedule, and there is no DCL ship here during the summer to even test the waters of what occupancy would be like when school is out. The Magic would have been sold out during the summer months. Every holiday cruise was sold out while the Magic was here.
I agree it didn't seem as though they gave it a full shotbookings must've been far below their objective to make the abrupt change imo. If I lived in the area i'd be terribly disappointed.

Perhaps a regional thing but it's common practice in my area to permit students to vacation for a week during the school year with prior approval. We also have many in-service days combined with holidays (Columbus day is one that comes to mind) that equal only missing two days in many weeks of the school year. Naturally, school policies differ and each parent knows their child best as to making that decision.

Unscientificbut I've found from speaking to the people on several DIS cruise meets, that the majority don't combine a week-long cruise out of PC with a WDW stay. Not me, I hit the park at least the day before and departure day before we fly home.
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Old 07-24-2013, 08:38 PM   #137
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at this point its so much land disney or universal studios could buy land in texas
Call it either Disney lonstar park are Universal studios southern adventure


p.s did anyone here about the tragedy in Arlington six-flags over texas
its odd this year Big tex burns and the following night those people got stuck on the swing ride for four hours now this yeesh.
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:19 AM   #138
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I agree it didn't seem as though they gave it a full shotbookings must've been far below their objective to make the abrupt change imo. If I lived in the area i'd be terribly disappointed.

Perhaps a regional thing but it's common practice in my area to permit students to vacation for a week during the school year with prior approval. We also have many in-service days combined with holidays (Columbus day is one that comes to mind) that equal only missing two days in many weeks of the school year. Naturally, school policies differ and each parent knows their child best as to making that decision.

Unscientificbut I've found from speaking to the people on several DIS cruise meets, that the majority don't combine a week-long cruise out of PC with a WDW stay. Not me, I hit the park at least the day before and departure day before we fly home.
It believe it is a combination of things:

A. Other than the 7 or 8 night cruise that included Castaway Cay there was nothing different from other established cruise lines and Disney's premium over those cruise lines is equal to how cheap flights, from Texas, to GoM destinations with all inclusive properties are. Take the savings out of cruising over flying and there is not a lot of reason to cruise.

B. There isn't any weeks/months of bad/cold weather locally to escape except the summer heat. Nor are the winter daylight hours really short to induce cabin fever. 10-11 hours from sunrise to sunset on the shortest day of the year. That puts dawn to dusk at 11 hours or more for the shortest day of the year.

C. Likely the biggest issue is the state of Texas reimburses school districts based on daily attendance numbers. Your kid isn't at school that day your school district doesn't get any dollars on their behalf for that day. This leads to very tough attendance policies and heavy fines- $200 a day per kid in our district for more than 2 unexcused days absence in a row. In many Texas school districts, eight unexcused absences in a school year and you're in front of the school board appealing your kid not repeating the grade. This daily attendance reimbursement policy is likely why Texas school districts don't piggy back teacher in service days with three day weekends as they're scared of significant percentages taking a couple more days in conjuncture to take in a school year vacation and losing that attendance revenue.

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Old 07-25-2013, 11:42 AM   #139
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Q-man very interesting. My youngest is in college but in PA it used to be a minimum # of days per student, expect for excused absenses (which an 'educational' trip would be considered). My kids participated in academic games which took them out of school during the day for a several days a month during the school year and then again for a week in the spring for the national competition (sometimes at Orlandowhere they usually had a day @ Universal or Disney) without any issue at all.

We had looked at booking out of Galveston but it was almost of the you can't get there from here sort of issue as to the air options from my area.
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Q-Man's points are all good. Except there are cheap flights to Caribbean resort towns like Cancun from Texas--not just Gulf of Mexico resorts. Personally we would prefer to just go to Cancun for a week at an all inclusive resort that offers excursions than we would tour the Caribbean in a ship. There again--I dont have any desire to spend more for a resort in the Caribbean just because it has Disney characters and Disney murals on the hotel walls. (Just to make the point about apples and oranges again-- that if Disney built a resort hotel in Cancun, that wouldnt necessarily appeal to me either--and that Disney's theme park business is what makes Disney vacations "Disney vacations"). All the American and Mexican resort chains down there are really nice.
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I bet they are buying some ocean-front property in Arizona, too!
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Old 07-25-2013, 04:06 PM   #142
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My kids participated in academic games which took them out of school during the day for a several days a month during the school year and then again for a week in the spring for the national competition (sometimes at Orlandowhere they usually had a day @ Universal or Disney) without any issue at all.
School sanctioned events like that are excused absences and they take attendance at them.

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Q-Man's points are all good. Except there are cheap flights to Caribbean resort towns like Cancun from Texas--not just Gulf of Mexico resorts.
Last I looked at a map, with Cancun being located at the tip of the Yucatan peninsula, the GoM is on the north side of Cancun and the Caribbean is on the south. But, yes I was generalizing a bit as Dallas to Cabo is the same distance as Dallas to Cancun and Cabo is only 10% farther from Houston than Cancun is.

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Old 05-13-2014, 05:10 PM   #144
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hmm texas Might pass the Gambling in texas bill soon and have casinos everyone knows texas loves to be this old fashioned state that likes to keep everything BAsic for Decades but now things might change maybe soon in the future it will be secret property owned by disney or some billionaire example the houston theme park ideas as Grand Texas theme park and the earth quest adventures both ideas or are were post to debut in 2017 idk whats going on are what secret franchise is going under it but Texas as a state needs to shake things up all we have is Mostly old fashioned stuff and six flags and sea world to but soon things in texas might change soon it might be the next tour site like Las vegas , California, Oklahoma and Florida one day day but right now im not sure If even Disney would wanna purchase any land in texas same with vegas casinos if and only if the gambling bill is to pass ...

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1. Texas House speaker's family owns Retama Park racetrack outside San Antonio. He's going to push gambling next session. Also, two Indian tribes, Choctaw and Alabama-Coushatta, are pouring PAC money into incumbent accounts.

I suspect gambling to pass next session.

2. Re Disney cruise poss leaving Galveston. Not relevant. The port of Galveston isn't going anywhere and IF Disney decides to build in Texas, it'll be five years before ships would need to come back. The timeline for cruise/park combos is far enough out to make current moves irrelevant.

3. FP+ is designed to manage crowds that are outgrowing the parks. In a short period of time, a new MK won't be about cannabalization but instead, a necessary crowd relief tool to accomodate growth. If Disney is looking further down the road than FP+ to manage MK crowds, a third MK park should be in the planning stages.

4. Start with two parks, MK and Marvel, place them in the Houston area, and there is enough to do to get Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin guests to stay over.

5. DVC at DisTex and Galveston to handle cruise traffic accommodations, and the money will start pouring in.
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4. Start with two parks, MK and Marvel, place them in the Houston area, and there is enough to do to get Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin guests to stay over.
I don't think Marvel alone could be an entire park. But if they went the avenue of a New Hollywood Studios and included multiple Star Wars and Pixar elements in addition to Marvel, they'd have an unbeatable combination that would warrant choosing Texas over WDW and DLR.
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That's the thing. They dont want people choosing a third location over Florida.

Which is why any third location if ever done would essentially be another Disney theme park staple--(a Magic Kingdom/Disneyland Park clone) --or a substantial clone with some different wrinkles here and there to make it a little different from the other two Magic Kingdom/Disneyland parks in the US.

I think any completely new park concept for the US such as Animal Kingdom, Disney Studios etc. once were will be reserved for the Florida property. That is why they have all the Florida property in the first place.

Caveat here. I do know Disney did plan a third resort location anchored by the Disney America theme park rather than build that new park concept on the Florida property. I personally thought a stand alone resort anchored by essentially a Magic Kingdom or Epcot sized version of the Epcot American pavillion sounded like a mistake that would be pretty boring and that they would quickly find they would need to build a Magic Kingdom/Disneyland park clone on the property as a companion park as well to draw people and rescue it--which would really have pissed of the Virginians.

Again as I said a year ago. I bet if there are any plans for this, it will be just a regional weekend resort consisting of at the most the above mentioned MK/Disneyland park clone with a resort hotel and a Downtown Disney and maybe a water park clone as well and is probably a decade or two away from the demographics to make economic sense for hard planning for such a project. I do think Texas makes the most geographic and demographic sense for something like this. Sidenote I doubt they would want it to be urbanized like the Disneyland resort and the Tokyo resort, so they might hypothetically purchase a 1000 acres or a little more just for all sorts of green space but wouldnt mean it would ever be developed.

Just a recap of my thoughts on this topic a year later since the thread came back up.
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Isn't this the same thing as Grand Texas Theme Park? http://grandtx.com/
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Isn't this the same thing as Grand Texas Theme Park? http://grandtx.com/


yes you are correct and since Houston hasn't had any Theme parks Since 2005 its been billionaires wanting to Build 2 parks Grand Texas Theme Park at New caney and Earth Quest Adventures in another part in Houston same with the Texas gambling law as Texas in a whole they want tourist and they want profit so they are planning to try and get the new Laws past cause Texas are tired of Texans in a whole going to Vegas , Florida , Oklahoma Mexico and Louisiana I really need to research more on this ... but do anybody think Disney could have a 3rd property due to Rumors of Disney has acre of land somewhere not sure in Texas ?

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which could suggest that the area wouldn't support a park

As for the Virginia suggestion, the idea was to put up a history park near manassas but the outcry over the 'historical' land being desecrated by a crass amusement park put the stops to that idea...now the parcel houses a shopping center, among other development.

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All the tour groups clogging up WDW would indicate that South/Central America (even southern Mexico south of Mexican Riveria/Costa Maya) could support a park if the infrastructure could be developed. Heck, they could buy an island and put a mini park on it and cruise to it, dropping off guests for several days/taking them back to mainland as a split stay sort of trip.
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Montgomery, Alabama was just voted most historical city in America. We have a rich history in Civil War, Civil Rights, and Civil Aviation.

We have 2 major interstates (I85 and I65) in Montgomery, with I10, I59 and I20 nearby. We have warm weather, and flat affordable land. We are 3 hours from the Gulf coast, and have lots of travelers from the Midwest who come through here to go to the beach and to Walt Disney World.

Yes, building a park here would take visitors from Orlando, but would certainly solve many of your capacity problems.

My husband and I would certainly purchase discounted Annual Passes.

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