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Old 05-23-2013, 03:26 PM   #316
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As a parent of a child who was molested my first call would be to the police.....not guest services. They reported it to DCL and Disney investigated and turned it over to athorities.

That's what we THINK we would do.
But....
In this case, the girl and grandma were foreigners, maybe didn't speak English, probably most definitely didn't have a cell phone (and there aren't any public pay phones on the ships) AND...they probably trusted Disney....just like so many others do.

Besides that, I'll say this without saying a whole lot more because it's personal.....my daughter was raped in the home of so-called "friends". When she called me, my first instinct was to go get her and take her to a hospital and let the hospital and police handle it from there. Which I found out later was a HUGE mistake. I should have called the police and sent them to the home....and there's a long story as to why this would have made a difference.....but what it boils down to, is that we can say the first thing we'd do is call the police, in a time of rational thinking, when nothing has ever happened to one of our kids, but when it really does happen, all rational thought goes straight out the window.

To hear someone say that they think the grandma should have called the police (or, same difference, saying YOU would call the police) is just the same as blaming the child or the grandmother for what happened and the way the events unfolded. Which is wrong on so many levels.
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Old 05-23-2013, 03:34 PM   #317
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That's what we THINK we would do.
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In this case, the girl and grandma were foreigners, maybe didn't speak English, probably most definitely didn't have a cell phone (and there aren't any public pay phones on the ships) AND...they probably trusted Disney....just like so many others do.

Besides that, I'll say this without saying a whole lot more because it's personal.....my daughter was raped in the home of so-called "friends". When she called me, my first instinct was to go get her and take her to a hospital and let the hospital and police handle it from there. Which I found out later was a HUGE mistake. I should have called the police and sent them to the home....and there's a long story as to why this would have made a difference.....but what it boils down to, is that we can say the first thing we'd do is call the police, in a time of rational thinking, when nothing has ever happened to one of our kids, but when it really does happen, all rational thought goes straight out the window.

To hear someone say that they think the grandma should have called the police (or, same difference, saying YOU would call the police) is just the same as blaming the child or the grandmother for what happened and the way the events unfolded. Which is wrong on so many levels.
After hearing about this incident, that is what I KNOW I would do. Oh course, I have the benefit of 22 pages of debate on the matter.

OTOH, had this happened at sea, they'd have no choice but to call Disney Security and trust them to handle it.
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Old 05-23-2013, 03:41 PM   #318
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It was OJ that killed those two people and while you can question the way the prosecution was handled, it was OJ that commited the crime.
I don't think this debate is about the crime - it's not DCL's fault that one of their employees molested this little girl.

The fault lies in their handling of the situation.

They "system" - DCL, Bahamian authorities, etc failed this little girl in the fact that the person who committed the crime against her will never see the inside of the court, will not go through due process, and if found guilty, will not be punished - that is the problem (as I see it) and DCL contributed to that.

As for the grandmother declining to press charges - generally if you want to press charges in a foreign country, they take you off the ship and you will need to promise to reappear. There is no guarantee that they will be finished in time to have you back on the ship. The grandmother may have been very concerned about being stranded in a foreign country and having to find their own way home.
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Somebody with the alias RGLakatos has written something that is demonstrably false. To wit:

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Tony Pipitone has been at numerous channels in Orlando and other markets....there is a reason why he gets tossed around like garbage....he, frankly, is a garbage commentator, writer and investigator.
I have worked at only one television station in my life, WKMG-TV Channel 6 in Orlando. In my 26 years here, I have received some of TV journalism's highest honors, including Emmys, Murrow Awards and other regional and national awards. I have never been sued for libel. Maybe some of the people I've helped put in jail consider me "garbage," but that is to be expected.

Much of his other comments are opinion, which I will not bother to dispute, but you should consider them in light of the above-stated irrefutable facts.
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The grandmother, a Brazilian, did speak only Portuguese.
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protip: coming to furiously defend yourself on a message board never ends wel..
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Old 05-23-2013, 04:09 PM   #322
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I have read the confession.

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Unless you've read the confession you are picking and choosing data to fit what you believe. What is the rest of the quote? Maybe is was "As she was getting on the elevator I accidetnly touched her on her right breast with my left hand." I admit this might be a stretch ...
It is a stretch. He did not claim it was an accident.

If he had, I would have stated that, as good reporters do.

Don't assume all reporters are intellectually dishonest hacks, just as one should not assume all dining room servers are prone to molesting children.
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protip: coming to furiously defend yourself on a message board never ends wel..
This is where the questions are? I thought you wanted answers? Aren't you getting what you wanted?

At least he's providing more communication and access than Disney so far..
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Thanks for letting me respond

Just wanted to do a small part to set some of the record straight. This user --who seems, from his posts, to be level-headed -- advises:

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While I am nowhere-near-furious, I shall take leave ... for now, at least.

Thanks.
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I don't care about answers from someone who may or not be the real reporter.

I am more referring to long-standing internet history where this sort of behavior invariably leads to a flamefest, name-calling and otherwise general stupidity.
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Maybe you read into things as being snarky or are perhaps overly defensive? I don't know...I was asking a serious question since the view given is so out of sync with the day-to-day reality of the job. I take offense as a PR professional, not on behalf of the entire profession. My job is not to cover-up but to help. It is to help companies identify what they need to fix (probably that bad press) and then aid in communicating that to the public, not hide problems.

If Disney does a good job of "keeping the lid" on bad news, I can assure you that is NOT a function of a PR professional. We are communicators, not concealers. We do Damage Control - not Damage Concealment.

As for your thoughts about the PR profession having a public relations issue with how people view their profession...I counter, that we apparently have problem with a certain number of people not understanding what the profession really entails. I can almost guarantee that when decisions were made on that boat or after when it was decided to file that report away, no PR folks were consulted.

A cynic might suggest that if this is what Disney does, that those are lawyers or leadership making such dictims...however, since I am not a lawyer or an employee of Disney Corp, I cannot say. I can say however, that it appears clear that mistakes were made which need to be honestly addressed (not ignored) by the company and then communicated by a competent PR team in order to maintain the trust and faith of the public and their consumers.

I have reached out to DCL as a consumer and have asked for their comments on the matter. I will let you know, what (if anything) I hear back.
I have a degree in PR as well. Our first official assignment was to justify the Exxon Valdez. Our second assignment was to 'spin' the tainted Baby Tylenol. PR is there to advocate for the company at which they're employed. I actually never would up using the PR part of my degree because I couldn't justify or 'spin' it to myself.
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I have a degree in PR as well. Our first official assignment was to justify the Exxon Valdez. Our second assignment was to 'spin' the tainted Baby Tylenol. PR is there to advocate for the company at which they're employed. I actually never would up using the PR part of my degree because I couldn't justify or 'spin' it to myself.
By assignment do you mean in school? Or in an actual practice? Because the Valdez occurred in 89 and Tylenol in 82. In neither case did the PR teams attempt to cover up the problems. In fact the Tylenol case is an excellent example of how PR can repair damage done by a corporation.

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Somebody with the alias RGLakatos has written something that is demonstrably false. To wit:



I have worked at only one television station in my life, WKMG-TV Channel 6 in Orlando. In my 26 years here, I have received some of TV journalism's highest honors, including Emmys, Murrow Awards and other regional and national awards. I have never been sued for libel. Maybe some of the people I've helped put in jail consider me "garbage," but that is to be expected.

Much of his other comments are opinion, which I will not bother to dispute, but you should consider them in light of the above-stated irrefutable facts.

That is easily verifiable and Mr. Piptone is correct. He has been at the same station since 1987 and has won many awards.

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By assignment do you mean in school? Or in an actual practice? Because the Valdez occurred in 89 and Tylenol in 82. In neither case did the PR teams attempt to cover up the problems. In fact the Tylenol case is an excellent example of how PR can repair damage done by a corporation.

http://www.aerobiologicalengineering...rs/crisis.html
You got it. In school, in a class by one of the expert PR professors, this is how we were 'trained' in PR. I'm not disputing that there are wonderfully ethical and reputable PR professionals. I know there are. However, their first obligation is to their employers.
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You got it. In school, in a class by one of the expert PR professors, this is how we were 'trained' in PR. I'm not disputing that there are wonderfully ethical and reputable PR professionals. I know there are. However, their first obligation is to their employers.
That's a darn shame. My professors always taught about the balance between employer & public...
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