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Old 05-23-2013, 03:05 AM   #256
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Like Chocolate Milk, question asked and answered. We are now so far from facts that its time to end.
My observation...the thread has only been open for 2 days, and there are probably a lot of people who still might want to read it and comment on it, like you did.
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Regardless, they should have confined him (yes, the ship has a "brig") and released him to Florida authorities upon return. Instead, this was a cover up, and it is quite disheartening.
yeah knew they had a brig. We can agree to disagree. I just don't find it disheartening. Mistakes might have been made, but that is life. But I just can't find it disheartening since this happened in August. If it had happened a week ago I would deff find it more disheartening. This is just IMO, but its good we agree to disagree.
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Old 05-23-2013, 03:32 AM   #258
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Never mind, couldn't get the picture to post after I deleted the bad word.

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Here's a real kicker....this is the top story/picture/share on his Facebook page:

I guess riding a bicycle over children's hands is child abuse, but fondling isn't.
My question is why are people checking out his Facebook page? Human nature I guess, kind of like a accident on the highway, something happens and everyone stops and looks
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My question is why are people checking out his Facebook page? Human nature I guess, kind of like a accident on the highway, something happens and everyone stops and looks
Something I read on another Board made me go look.
Or maybe some people wondered if they'd ever had him as a server and wanted to see a picture other than the blurry one on the news.
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Something I read on another Board made me go look.
Or maybe some people wondered if they'd ever had him as a server and wanted to see a picture other than the blurry one on the news.
Ok, but still kind if like a accident where everyone stops a stares lol. I use to do it, but the realized seemed kind of stalker like so I just wait till others post about it, people usually do. Only if I know a person do I look anymore.
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Something I read on another Board made me go look.
Or maybe some people wondered if they'd ever had him as a server and wanted to see a picture other than the blurry one on the news.
Were you looking for this link? They have good picture (which should have been a mug shot) of the molester. See the video at the bottom.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1351027
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Regardless, they should have confined him (yes, the ship has a "brig") and released him to Florida authorities upon return. Instead, this was a cover up, and it is quite disheartening.
This was what should have happened in Florida first. However once in Nassau the Bahamian authorities were in charge and may have taken him off the vessel, even if he was released. to fly home.

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Why can charges not be brought now in absentia?
Theoretically, that Florida prosecutor could still bring charges against this guy in absentia. The Port Canaveral Police could still do an investigation and present their case to the grand jury to get an indictment and warrant for his arrest. However, it would be a waste of time without a victim who is willing to cooperate. The US legal system guarantees suspects the right to confront their accusers in court. Being as such, to prosecute a crime there has to be a victim willing to cooperate with prosecution. The video alone, without the testimony of the victim to explain what is going on in the video, could be explained away out of context by a sneaky defense attorney to plant reasonable doubt in the collective mind of a jury.
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Is the person from DCL who should have called police and did not, criminally liable?
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yeah knew they had a brig. We can agree to disagree. I just don't find it disheartening. Mistakes might have been made, but that is life. But I just can't find it disheartening since this happened in August. If it had happened a week ago I would deff find it more disheartening. This is just IMO, but its good we agree to disagree.
Doesn't matter when it happened, it was covered up by DCL, and ultimately, Disney...that which we look to to hold themselves at a higher standard.

A horrible crime was committed on Disney property, and they chose to cover it up and tried to get away with it. Now we have to question what else has been covered up by them?

It's a trust issue.
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Doesn't matter when it happened, it was covered up by DCL, and ultimately, Disney...that which we look to to hold themselves at a higher standard.

A horrible crime was committed on Disney property, and they chose to cover it up and tried to get away with it. Now we have to question what else has been covered up by them?

It's a trust issue.


All companies cover up bad news! It's what the PR departs do. They minimize bad press. Disney is a private company not the government. They are under no obligation to publicize bad events or when one of their employees made a bad decision.

This comes down to decision made by one or two people so lets not indict the entire company based on one incident.

Had the incident happed a few hours later DCL would have handled this exactly as they did and there would be no 'controvery' and no allegations of 'cover up'. Someone made the decision to sail instead of holding the entire ship at dock for the next 4 hrs while the local authorities came on board. That 'someone' need to explain why they made the decision they made. We've not heard from him/her but people are 100% certain he/she made the decision to cover up a child molestation.

Can't believe the over reaction of some people. Life happens. No company is perfect....because they are run by PEOPLE! Fallable people!
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My observation...the thread has only been open for 2 days, and there are probably a lot of people who still might want to read it and comment on it, like you did.
This happens, anytime, there's negative news about Disney. A few start the chant, "close the thread, close the thread". If, they have no more interest in the discussion, why continue reading?
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All companies cover up bad news! It's what the PR departs do. They minimize bad press. Disney is a private company not the government. They are under no obligation to publicize bad events or when one of their employees made a bad decision.

This comes down to decision made by one or two people so lets not indict the entire company based on one incident.

Had the incident happed a few hours later DCL would have handled this exactly as they did and there would be no 'controvery' and no allegations of 'cover up'. Someone made the decision to sail instead of holding the entire ship at dock for the next 4 hrs while the local authorities came on board. That 'someone' need to explain why they made the decision they made. We've not heard from him/her but people are 100% certain he/she made the decision to cover up a child molestation.

Can't believe the over reaction of some people. Life happens. No company is perfect....because they are run by PEOPLE! Fallable people!
You don't know anyone who actually works in PR, at least for a reputable company, do you? The job of a REAL PR professional (in terms of negative issues) is to take the mistake/misunderstanding...whatever and get ahead of it. Tell the company's consumers (us) that a mistake happened, that they understand that, they are sorry and they have made changes to policy/process...whatever to ensure that such an incident doesn't (or is unlikely) to ever occur again. The job of a PR team isn't to hide or cover-up, it is to restore/maintain the faith and trust of the consumer/public.

You have been the 1st to get defensive at posts you feel are inappropriate throughout this thread. I am personally offended by your bashing of an important and legitimate profession in order to minimize and deflect from the weakness of your argument. You know who leads the effort for companies & communities to rally around those in need? Who works with employers to better themselves and their products for consumers? To create synergy between sponsor companies and efforts like Race for the Cure or blood drives? PR Professionals. Thank you very much!
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Doesn't matter when it happened, it was covered up by DCL, and ultimately, Disney...that which we look to to hold themselves at a higher standard.

A horrible crime was committed on Disney property, and they chose to cover it up and tried to get away with it. Now we have to question what else has been covered up by them?

It's a trust issue.
we can agree to disagree. I know worse things that have happened, but they aren't for this thread so we will leave it at that
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