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Old 05-22-2013, 04:16 PM   #211
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Me saying a remark is making me want to throw up is not anywhere near trying to discredit them.
She stated her opinion, and I stated mine, there is no difference between the two at all.....so thank you for not judging me or telling me what I'm allowed to say or not say.
I don't think it is every appropiate to tell anyone, "you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. None. "

This is an attack of the poster not the post. Give your opinion based on YOUR paradigm and let others opine from theirs.

What she was saying is without the reporter's comments and without knowing the girl was only 11 the VIDEO itself looks benign. That is just a fact. If you doubt this, have someone watch the video without the audio and without the news report and see if they see antying inappropiate.
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I am seriously going to throw up. I can't believe you said this.

A. It wasn't just a "guy hitting on a girl".....it was an ADULT bothering a MINOR.

B. "It wasn't like he raped her"??????? You didn't really just say that, did you???? That's like saying "Well, he/she was ONLY stabbed, not murdered, so therefore, it's no big deal".

I'm so shocked at your remarks I can't even think straight.

I realize that you are young...and I'm going to let some of what I'm thinking go because you don't have enough life experience to know better than to make such remarks.
All I can say is that I pray to God nothing like this ever happens to you, or someday, a child of yours. Because you know what? MY daughter was raped, and you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. None.
But you better not wear shorts in the dining room

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Old 05-22-2013, 04:29 PM   #213
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But you better not wear shorts in the dining room

To soon?
Haha, shorts in the dining room I've done that many times, usually on pirate night when I don't care
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I don't think it is every appropiate to tell anyone, "you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. None. "

This is an attack of the poster not the post. Give your opinion based on YOUR paradigm and let others opine from theirs.

What she was saying is without the reporter's comments and without knowing the girl was only 11 the VIDEO itself looks benign. That is just a fact. If you doubt this, have someone watch the video without the audio and without the news report and see if they see antying inappropiate.
Yes that's what I was commenting on back in the posts. I didn't see much at all if anything. Only know of it because the reporter was talking, if no talking looked just like a guy hitting on the girl, which I know older ones who hit on younger ones
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It seems that we must reiterate that there is a LEGAL OBLIGATION to report evidence of CHILD sexual abuse in FLorida, and probably most states in the US, REGARDLESS of the families wishes. These laws are to protect children.

In the field of medicine, it is prosecutable for NOT reporting evidence of child abuse. I would guess for teachers the same. The info from the AG Archer states that clearly there was a violation of FLorida law.

How would it have harmed DCL to remove the offender from the ship and let him be questioned by police? As I see it, only in that this whole story might leaked to the media, a black eye for DCL/Disney. Now they are dealing with a whole lot more than a black eye.

While I respect there are a lot of opinions that are different than mine, I really hope you who seem to downplay the event never experience molestation. She was ELEVEN. He CONFESSED. He is FREE and according to a PP, still posting on Facebook.

I'm so very disgusted by DCL.
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I don't think it is every appropiate to tell anyone, "you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. None. "

This is an attack of the poster not the post. Give your opinion based on YOUR paradigm and let others opine from theirs.

What she was saying is without the reporter's comments and without knowing the girl was only 11 the VIDEO itself looks benign. That is just a fact. If you doubt this, have someone watch the video
without the audio and without the news report and see if they see antying inappropiate.
That comment was meant to be directed at her remark of "It wasn't like she was raped". And I do believe that unless you've walked that path, you don't know. That remark was insensitive to anyone who has been inappropriately touched.

It is absolutely not an attack on her.
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That comment was meant to be directed at her remark of "It wasn't like she was raped". And I do believe that unless you've walked that path, you don't know. That remark was insensitive to anyone who has been inappropriately touched.

It is absolutely not an attack on her.
It might have been insensitive, but I didn't really mean it like that. So you know.
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Yes that's what I was commenting on back in the posts. I didn't see much at all if anything. Only know of it because the reporter was talking, if no talking looked just like a guy hitting on the girl, which I know older ones who hit on younger ones
This girl was 11. You could clearly see she was a CHILD in the video. So it just wasn't a matter of a "guy hitting on a girl".

Do you(general you) regularly see or want guys hitting on 11 year old girls?

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It's not like he raped her.
yes, it was.
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It might have been insensitive, but I didn't really mean it like that. So you know.
Thanks. I appreciate your clarifying.
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This girl was 11. You could clearly seen she was a CHILD in the video. SO it just wasn't a matter of an "guy hitting on a girl".

Do you(general you) regularly see or want guys hitting on 11 year old girls?
In this day and age yes you do see older guys talking with girls like that. different ages if course if you want to talk anymore pm me or email, thanks.
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Thanks. I appreciate your clarifying.
No prob, I can see where it might have seemed insensitive. I'm open minded and can see a lot of different views even when not agreeing. People think that's weird, but its true
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What she was saying is without the reporter's comments and without knowing the girl was only 11 the VIDEO itself looks benign. That is just a fact. If you doubt this, have someone watch the video without the audio and without the news report and see if they see antying inappropiate.
You must be watching a different video than I am. I watched it again here:
http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_ne...oyee_caught_on

There is no sound, but you can clearly see the first time he touches her breast as she walks in the elevator. Then he reaches out again. Then he leans over her. She tries to step back away from, he holds on to her. For 43 seconds. There is no way he is simply holding the elevator door for her as a courtesy.

Here's another article from a respected travel industry reporter:
http://www.petergreenberg.com/2013/0...al-misconduct/
As he says, "The footage recorded the employee groping the child’s chest and forcibly kissing her."

The video evidence ties completely with the girl's account as documented in the ship's incident report. He grabbed her breast twice, he held onto her, he kissed her. She reported it to her grandparent and the grandparent reported it to the ship authorities in a very timely manner. I find it almost impossible to believe that the captain of the Disney Dream did not find out about a sexual assault allegation within minutes of guest services learning of it. It is also unlikely that they didn't have video corroboration of the accusation within minutes. Certainly within 1 hour.

Any reasonable, semi-intelligent person would agree that this incident at least rises to the level of needing to be investigated by the local police. There was no excuse for Disney to remove the molester, his victim, and the crime scene to the Bahamas without notifying the police who clearly had authority while the ship was in Port.

If there were some crazy mistake made during the two hours between reporting and sail away, and there was also some crazy lunar gravitational pull preventing them from returning to Port Canaveral, there is still no excuse for not locking the molester up for the duration of the cruise and handing him over to the police on August 10. And there is absolutely no excuse for sending him on his merry way with a plane ticket to safety.

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Wow. Interesting! After 13 pages I finally learned something. ;-)

OK, so since it was a Bahamian flagged vessel, who has the athority to remove him?
DCL, the ships captain or Bahamian authorities would have to grant that authorithy. My dad has worked as a river boat captain for 30+ years. When i went to visit a US ort town many years back he made it a poitn to caution me ( from his own knowledge and experience) that while shopping in the port district to not go onto any boats. He said many of the boats lure tourist onto them saying they have products for sale or deals in the boat( non US ships), once on their boat, you are no longer on US soil, they take this advantage to kidnap, or rape women. My dad said US authorities have no jurisdiction to pursue these boats even if they remain in port, they have to report it to the country the boat is flagshipped under and obtain permission
(which is rarely granted) to board ship. He said there are may cases of kidnapping but even more rapes, because the crew know US does not have jurisdiction to come aboard and can leave before they get the proper permissio
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If there are any lawyers or police reading this thread, does forceful restraint such as the CM demonstrated by not letting the girl out of the elevator give rise to kidnapping or some other higher charge than molestation?
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