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Old 05-29-2013, 11:35 AM   #1411
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I whole heartedly agree with this vent.

Even if I could use this system, and use it well, I doubt I'd be excited for it. It would just be... another thing to figure out and use. Still wouldn't be what I wanted to see from Disney.

But it might just be what we get I suppose. I still want to see the surveys that Disney did for who would use such a system, and who really wanted it.

I bet they didn't include the finer details, just a simple yes/no. Because who is going to say no to shorter lines? Some might have said no to prebooking rides, but what the hay, Disney probably thought they could change their minds. Then they got round to giving millions of people all a fair crack at fastpasses in advance and... things got way too real, way too fast.
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I'm hoping they are looking now for better ways to do this without totally wasting the 1BN. I guess that is the thought process behind my FP+ as an added benefit idea.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:13 PM   #1412
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Actually it does still benefit the planner. Because the planner will fuss and fume about it, but will indeed keep checking back until they get what they want.
I agree with you but I think "benefit" is perhaps too strong a word. I'd say it won't "deter" those of us who are determined from getting what we want, but we will have to be greatly inconvenienced and put forth a lot more effort for a much smaller "return."

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Once we had our BOG ADRs for our December trip (what a FIASCO of poor IT, poor infrastructure and poor management decisions THAT day was!) we got a crazy idea that it would be fun to eat in both castles in the MK on the same day. CRT was already booked. But if you set your mind to something you can often make it happen. I knew if I kept checking, I'd find something and I did. The first time I got wasn't great, but I took it and kept checking back. Eventually I got exactly what I was after.
Again, I agree. Determination will pay off for many. I've also scored "impossible" CRT reservations in the past... much like you described. I kept checking and took the first thing that came open even though it wasn't what I wanted and then kept checking back and changing my reservation for closer and closer to what I wanted. After three changes, I was finally able to get what I wanted.

As much as people complain about going through this for a hard to get ADR, think about having to endure it just to avoid a 2 hour wait for Soarin'.

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You are still relating this to your own personal desires Magic Bob. And to hope disney will tailor make a system that is going to make the 10% even more happy, I think this is an error.
I don't expect Disney to create a system that caters to me or makes me "more happy." But, of course we all want a system that is not going to negatively impact us. I still maintain that the system (as described) will not really benefit the 80%ers. I get that it makes sense from a business standpoint to make 80% of the people "more happy" even if that means making 10% less happy. But (admittedly made up) statistics are not going to convince me that this system will make those masses more happy. I'll believe it when I see it.

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My paranoia is creeping in again and I'm beginning to wonder if this thread is being monitored and we are the most underpaid, unwilling and unwitting focus group Disney has ever had.
And Rileygirl is really Disney's mole who is running the focus group and trying to sell us naysayers on the merits of the plan!

Actually, Rileygirl... I agree with much of what you have presented. It is thought provoking and insightful. I just don't agree with the assessment that the system is going to enhance everyone's experience.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:28 PM   #1413
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I agree with you but I think "benefit" is perhaps too strong a word. I'd say it won't "deter" those of us who are determined from getting what we want, but we will have to be greatly inconvenienced and put forth a lot more effort for a much smaller "return."

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gain, I agree. Determination will pay off for many. I've also scored "impossible" CRT reservations in the past... much like you described. I kept checking and took the first thing that came open even though it wasn't what I wanted and then kept checking back and changing my reservation for closer and closer to what I wanted. After three changes, I was finally able to get what I wanted.

As much as people complain about going through this for a hard to get ADR, think about having to endure it just to avoid a 2 hour wait for Soarin'.


Yeah. That would definitely be my jumping off point. 2 hours is more than I'd wait for any ride. 1 hour is probably more than I'll wait for any ride as well.

And babysitting my computer to score one ADR is manageable. But if I needed to do that for many rides, that would be another jumping off point.

So I wait. I know what my limits are. But I don't know yet if the new system will push me past those limits. But I've given it a lot of thought and know by now what I will and won't do.
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:28 PM   #1414
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I wished I work for Disney. And trust me, I think they are pretty peeved at me if I am even close to right on any of this stuff. This is the stuff they DONT WANT us to know. In my opinion. I mean, how am I selling it to people when I point out its faults that are going to effect us? I think I just am trying to look at the big picture, thats all

I keep hoping, however, and exec from either disney or Universal will call me up and offer a me a dream job.Of course, the paranoid in me also makes me think that instead of a job offer, one day I will walk out my front door, and a mouse, in a trench coat and shades, is planning to take me out.

Now, neither thing has happened so far, so maybe I am so off the mark, its just cause for a lot of laughter around the water cooler some where.

But the next few days and weeks should be so exciting. Park attendance stats, and the mouses counter move. I am glued to my computer!
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Old 05-29-2013, 01:31 PM   #1415
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I think we will all remain sceptical till it is introduced, whenever that may be.

We have covered every major aspect of FP+ as far as I am aware, and I think that this topic contains a lot of concerns, thoughts and worries, hopefully balanced with some more positive hopes.

Of course it remains to be seen how much of this Disney is also talking over, but I for one think this thread is a great example of debate and one which Disney would be foolish to ignore. Which they may well be, I don't know. But I hope some of the concerns expressed here are addressed, as do we all I think.

I'm just glad this topic stayed the course and remained a friendly debate. Time to pat ourselves on the back I think.

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So I wait. I know what my limits are. But I don't know yet if the new system will push me past those limits. But I've given it a lot of thought and know by now what I will and won't do.
This is where I'm at right now after all that debate. I know what I want, what I could cope with and what I couldn't cope with. I just hope it's not the last one, but I'm planning for it just in case.
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Right, perhaps its time that this thread floats down to in significance. Its been lots of fun.

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Old 05-29-2013, 02:09 PM   #1417
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Last sept. we were asked to do a trial on the FP+ and you can get paper FP also the card or wristband they give has a tag inside and you can just wave it at the kiosk and print out the FP.
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Old 05-29-2013, 02:10 PM   #1418
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Last sept. we were asked to do a trial on the FP+ and you can get paper FP also the card or wristband they give has a tag inside and you can just wave it at the kiosk and print out the FP.
Unknown if this will be the case when the full system is operational. We'll see.
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Old 05-29-2013, 02:12 PM   #1419
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So I wait. I know what my limits are. But I don't know yet if the new system will push me past those limits. But I've given it a lot of thought and know by now what I will and won't do.
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This is where I'm at right now after all that debate. I know what I want, what I could cope with and what I couldn't cope with. I just hope it's not the last one, but I'm planning for it just in case.
That's where we are too. We will be at WDW for only one park day next March before our first ever cruise. How that goes wrt to any changes related to FP+ could affect any decisions for future trips.

I don't know if they would be into any stage of roll out by then with the delays or possibly still in some phase of testing. It will be busy enough as it is with it being spring break season, but if SB lines are unbearable because of added stress put on them due to FP+ I will probably be hard pressed to convince DH that it isn't time to move on (obviously I'm already somewhat up against that with a cruise booked instead of our usual WDW trip!)
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But is Disney operating in the red?
I can't think of many companies that would let a silly thing like being in the black keep them from doing something they have seen successfully bring big revenue into other companies.
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It might just be a matter of logging in once a day and trying to "optimize" your rides. I already do that with my ADRs now that I think about it. I think planning types would be willing to do that, many planning types are already optimizing their plans every day anyway and they think it's fun

The people who aren't going to do that are the people who don't like to plan anyway. Which is why I think that Disney built this system to eventually monetize it, rather than to help the masses enjoy their vacation more.

Interesting stuff anyway!
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It might just be a matter of logging in once a day and trying to "optimize" your rides. I already do that with my ADRs now that I think about it. I think planning types would be willing to do that, many planning types are already optimizing their plans every day anyway and they think it's fun

The people who aren't going to do that are the people who don't like to plan anyway. Which is why I think that Disney built this system to eventually monetize it, rather than to help the masses enjoy their vacation more.
I think I am one of a large group of people who like to plan, but not plan to this degree.

You log in daily and "optimize" your ADRs? Really?
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I agree this has been a great discussion with many scenarios and points discussed. I do believe we deserve a "pat on the back" for the courteous and thoughtful way this potentially contentious discussion has been dealt with. I know my limits as well and whether I reduce my Disney days, keep them the same or increase my time there will depend on how this rolls out. Thanks to all.

Now, to sit back and wait for something official to roll out.
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Count me in the camp who thinks that 3 prebooked FPs is not enough.

We were in an absolutely packed MK yesterday and using the system properly I was able to pull 5 FPs throughout the day. If not for dinner and parade/fireworks plans I could have pulled at least two more.

Granted we were there at park opening, but even under this potential new system we would still go at rope drop to ride as much ad possible.
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I think I am one of a large group of people who like to plan, but not plan to this degree.

You log in daily and "optimize" your ADRs? Really?
I actually love that moment when I have the last ADR I need and the trip is all planned...... and I can just let it go and enjoy the anticipation. I guess I just love having all my ducks sitting in a row waiting to sail off.

It's going to irritate the crap out of me to need to keep babysitting that awful system filling in missing blanks.
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