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Old 05-31-2013, 09:50 PM   #1651
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Friend of mine just came back from Orlando. She & her family have gone at least yearly for a VERY long time, ALWAY staying on site. This time they stayed at WBC. I smiled and nodded while she gave me her report...

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~ We loved having a car and really being able to do so much in the Orlando area, even venturing as far Tampa to visit the ocean.

~ We only spent a couple days at the parks [WDW], and 3 at US/IOA

~ WWHP is stunning!

~ The rides at US are sooooo cool.

~ US/IOA put WDW to shame, but of course WDW is 50 years old, so I guess that's to be expected.


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Old 05-31-2013, 10:07 PM   #1652
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Lasr I saw Disney still about 20 million visitors ahead of uni Love those bean counters !!!!!
And hopefully that won't change over time. Such changes seem to take a very long time when they happen.

Personally I want both resorts to do enormously well. I'm selfish - I want both of them and I refuse to get into the comparisons. In other words I'll defend them both when it's fair.
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Old 05-31-2013, 10:17 PM   #1653
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I'm not trying to go off topic so this is the last I'm going to comment about this...

IMHO what my friend said just reinforces what so many people in this thread have been saying for days... US/IOA is a threat to Disney, and we don't know what that's going to mean. But it's probably fair to say that HOW & WHEN the FP+ system is put into play could very well tip the scale for a lot of people one way or the other, since it seems the scales are not as one sided as they used to be.

I was not suggesting that Disney start mimicking US/IOA, simply that US/IOA are obviously doing some things right - very right - to have elicited this response from a true Disney lover. And again, it wasn't JUST about the rides for them. We live within 3 hours of both a 6 Flags and Cedar Point... thrill rides aren't that hard to come by. There is more going on in Orlando, at both sets of parks, than just rides. And Disney no longer holds all the cards when it comes to theming/story telling/capturing guests' imaginations.
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Old 05-31-2013, 10:37 PM   #1654
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I'm not trying to go off topic so this is the last I'm going to comment about this...

IMHO what my friend said just reinforces what so many people in this thread have been saying for days... US/IOA is a threat to Disney, and we don't know what that's going to mean. But it's probably fair to say that HOW & WHEN the FP+ system is put into play could very well tip the scale for a lot of people one way or the other, since it seems the scales are not as one sided as they used to be.

I was not suggesting that Disney start mimicking US/IOA, simply that US/IOA are obviously doing some things right - very right - to have elicited this response from a true Disney lover. And again, it wasn't JUST about the rides for them. We live within 3 hours of both a 6 Flags and Cedar Point... thrill rides aren't that hard to come by. There is more going on in Orlando, at both sets of parks, than just rides. And Disney no longer holds all the cards when it comes to theming/story telling/capturing guests' imaginations.
We really like US/IOA and happy it keeps improving. But its still a day trip, then back to BCV and walking to EPCOT for us.
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Old 06-01-2013, 12:51 AM   #1655
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Right now, Universal doesn't sell itself as a week long vacation. I don't think that is their goal. Maybe a three day vacation.

Universal just added Transformers (in soft openings right now). Springfield will open in a few weeks with one new small ride and some eating establishments. Diagon Alley will open next year with two new rides and several new attractions. Jurassic Park is supposed to open the following summer with two more attractions. Then it is rumoured that there will be a kid zone overhaul, a complete island overhaul in IOA and some other things that are still in the planning mode. It will easily be a three day vacation. Comcast has stated that every available parcel of land will be filled in 7 years with new attractions.
Wow! It sounds pretty exciting when it's all put together like that. I can't wait till our next trip there (probably once Diagon Alley is finished!)
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Personally I want both resorts to do enormously well. I'm selfish - I want both of them and I refuse to get into the comparisons. In other words I'll defend them both when it's fair.
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Old 06-01-2013, 07:26 AM   #1657
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There are plenty of UK folks who go to the Orlando area for 2/3 weeks and never set foot in a Disney park. There is a ton of stuff to do besides Disney :-
Universal & IOA, Seaworld & Discovery Cove, Aquatica, Wet'n'Wild, Kennedy Space Centre, Legoland, the amazing Busch Gardens, shopping, the beach and many minor attractions. If Disney aren't worried, they should be!

Harry Potter totally changed the game. We spent 15 years staying on Disney property and were happy, When HP opened we hired a car and ventured off property for the first time. Boy were our eyes opened to a whole new world! Now there is no going back.

We still love Disney but if they try to force us to preschedule our rides in attempt to keep us on Disney property for the duration, this will backfire and we will do what many other UK families do and have a Disney-free Orlando vacation!

IMO FP+ will not persuade people to spend more time at Disney, it will only serve to alienate more international visitors who don't have advanced FP+ reservations and can't use their smartphones due to roaming charges. Yes I know there is free wifi in the parks but it is iffy at best!

Unless I am missing something, Disney seems to have invested a lot of money in a system which isn't going to significantly improve the experience for their guests and will make a large number of those guests, who were previously perfecly happy, seriously unhappy!
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Yes I know there is free wifi in the parks but it is iffy at best!
This....their wifi continues to drain my battery since it is very spotty. I'm in Disney right now & my Disney experience app continues to tell me to check in when at a park (I have been). Don't know how I feel about new FP+ system, but do want a magic band . Oh well, only time will tell...now it's time for me to wake my family so we can get to park to mow someone over for old fashioned FP =}
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There are plenty of UK folks who go to the Orlando area for 2/3 weeks and never set foot in a Disney park. There is a ton of stuff to do besides Disney :-
Universal & IOA, Seaworld & Discovery Cove, Aquatica, Wet'n'Wild, Kennedy Space Centre, Legoland, the amazing Busch Gardens, shopping, the beach and many minor attractions. If Disney aren't worried, they should be!

Harry Potter totally changed the game. We spent 15 years staying on Disney property and were happy, When HP opened we hired a car and ventured off property for the first time. Boy were our eyes opened to a whole new world! Now there is no going back.

We still love Disney but if they try to force us to preschedule our rides in attempt to keep us on Disney property for the duration, this will backfire and we will do what many other UK families do and have a Disney-free Orlando vacation!

IMO FP+ will not persuade people to spend more time at Disney, it will only serve to alienate more international visitors who don't have advanced FP+ reservations and can't use their smartphones due to roaming charges. Yes I know there is free wifi in the parks but it is iffy at best!

Unless I am missing something, Disney seems to have invested a lot of money in a system which isn't going to significantly improve the experience for their guests and will make a large number of those guests, who were previously perfecly happy, seriously unhappy!
See, this is what Disney is forgetting with this system imo. The international guest. I have no idea of the figures overall but when we went, there were always at least few international families in our hotel (and villas seem particularly popular) and we saw plenty of them in all of the parks and at other destinations. That's without even mentioning international tour groups.

Disney is going the wrong way about this in order to attract those guests. They went with a stick wrapped in shiny paper ('allowing' you to prebook rides to get fastpasses, with a lot of limits) instead of a carrot (significant new attractions and expansions.)

Yes there might be some new things coming down the road, but if people went back next year and they had rolled out fastpass+, and they didn't, couldn't or wouldn't book rides in advance, forcing you to go standby and thus not ride some attractions more than once because of insane lines, do you think people will care that oh they just announced a new ride for 2016?

Disney has created a rod for it's own back. They created the demand for FP's, now they are limiting them per person. Not a good recipe.
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Rileygirl, I've heard rumours about UO adding a third gate, so although it probably isn't in their 5 year plan, it might be close. They've been snatching up parcels of land and nobody has really been paying attention.

However, I'm not sure why you think any place needs to be a 7 day destination. I never go to WDW or DL for 7 days. To me, that is way too long. I'd much rather split my vacation and stay at two different places.





Oh and Blackstone doesn't own any part of UO anymore. Comcast bought them out in 2011.

Comcast owns UO, USH and Wet 'n Wild.

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Rileygirl, I've heard rumours about UO adding a third gate, so although it probably isn't in their 5 year plan, it might be close. They've been snatching up parcels of land and nobody has really been paying attention.

However, I'm not sure why you think any place needs to be a 7 day destination. I never go to WDW or DL for 7 days. To me, that is way too long. I'd much rather split my vacation and stay at two different places.





Oh and Blackstone doesn't own any part of UO anymore. Comcast bought them out in 2011.

Comcast owns UO, USH and Wet 'n Wild.
Well, darn, no wonder there is no teamwork involved. and I guess that wont happen. Problem is going to be, its going to take time and money to build another theme park. They can put wet and wild on their ticket I guess.

But it shoots my suggestion right out the window.

Back to the drawing board.
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Well, darn, no wonder there is no teamwork involved. and I guess that wont happen. Problem is going to be, its going to take time and money to build another theme park. They can put wet and wild on their ticket I guess.

But it shoots my suggestion right out the window.

Back to the drawing board.
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Old 06-01-2013, 09:57 AM   #1665
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If you all could help me with one little thing...

Work has been crazy busy these past few weeks and I've barely been able to read a few posts here and there. Many pages back it seemed people were referencing a fairly specific time FP+ could go live and it seemed like it was in summer.

I went back several pages to find a source but couldn't find it in the time I had available. I tried again today but came up short.

Has there been a time announced for FP+ or was I just seeing general theories? I am going in early to mid August and hoping it is not up yet then. (The pre-arranging and limitation on number of rides).

Thanks! I was such a good follower of info until I got swamped at work.
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