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Old 05-16-2013, 09:18 AM   #46
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Where do you draw the line?

We plan to go to WDW with my mother and stepfather next year. She generally uses a wheelchair due to nerve damage in her leg. She can walk short distances but cannot stand in a line for long (or anywhere for long). The whole point of our trip is for us all to go together, so they can have a trip to WDW with their grandchildren. Should my mother ride every ride alone while we go through the regular lines? We don't want to cut the lines at all, but to ride together, just as we would if she were able to stand in the lines. Are three other adults and two children too much?
Keep your group together as you please and let others get over it.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:26 AM   #47
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For someone who brags about her wealth, the woman in the article sure isn't ashamed of being a cheapo to the point of breaking the rules. the REAL "1%" wouldn't need to cut corners for this stuff and pay up for real VIP tours.
You are 100% correct. No one in the top 1% would bat an eye at $300/hr instead of using the $120/hr scam "service".
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:28 AM   #48
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What rules were broken?
I think what was meant is that the rules of a fair society were broken, not the WDW rules.
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:20 PM   #49
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I have read the article, gone to the companies web sight and posted on several threads on this on other boards. While I find the practice distasteful I also see a very big irony at work as well and a potential for some harm moving forward.

First a question. Are there varying levels of GAC's? I mean your an otherwise healthy teenager who happened to break a bone somewhere in the leg 3 weeks before vacation so you get a wheelchair to tour the park and therefore can't manage the ques but are otherwise fine and that's a level 1 GAC, or is your child in a motorized wheelchair with both physical and mental challenges that means you get a level2 GAC?

The reason the answer to question is important is because if you get the same GAC either way then why would anyone immoral enough to pay someone to use theirs not just get their own and save the money. In otherwords was the lady from New York stupid enough to pay $130 for something she could have got for free?

Another point is if in fact the GAC is being abused (I don't use and never have used and pass no judgement on those who do) will this lead to a devaluing of the system? I mena in economic theroy the harder something desirable is to attain the more perceived value it has. Once everyone can get it then it's value diminishes tremendously. So if everyone shows up for the GAC and is given one then the GAC lines start to exceed the FP and standby lines so what have you gained.

A final note, if in fact the answer to my first question is in fact that a GAC is a GAC and there are not different ones then if people with legitimate physical limitations can make $130 an hour off of stupid people with that much disposable income then good for them.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:30 PM   #50
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I think what was meant is that the rules of a fair society were broken, not the WDW rules.
Getting upset because someone broke imaginary rules doesn't make much sense to me
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:34 PM   #51
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I have read the article, gone to the companies web sight and posted on several threads on this on other boards. While I find the practice distasteful I also see a very big irony at work as well and a potential for some harm moving forward.

First a question. Are there varying levels of GAC's? I mean your an otherwise healthy teenager who happened to break a bone somewhere in the leg 3 weeks before vacation so you get a wheelchair to tour the park and therefore can't manage the ques but are otherwise fine and that's a level 1 GAC, or is your child in a motorized wheelchair with both physical and mental challenges that means you get a level2 GAC?

The reason the answer to question is important is because if you get the same GAC either way then why would anyone immoral enough to pay someone to use theirs not just get their own and save the money. In otherwords was the lady from New York stupid enough to pay $130 for something she could have got for free?

Another point is if in fact the GAC is being abused (I don't use and never have used and pass no judgement on those who do) will this lead to a devaluing of the system? I mena in economic theroy the harder something desirable is to attain the more perceived value it has. Once everyone can get it then it's value diminishes tremendously. So if everyone shows up for the GAC and is given one then the GAC lines start to exceed the FP and standby lines so what have you gained.

A final note, if in fact the answer to my first question is in fact that a GAC is a GAC and there are not different ones then if people with legitimate physical limitations can make $130 an hour off of stupid people with that much disposable income then good for them.
A GAC is not a GAC. They give various accommodations based on a guests individual needs. Also, a guest who is in a wheelchair but has no other needs would not get a GAC, at all, since the accommodations that he needs is obvious.

The rich person in the article paid for a tour guide, so she apparently received touring services not just access with the handicapped tour guide.

Also, there is no abuse here. People who are touring with a guest who is in a wheelchair use whatever line that guest uses. This isn't abuse.

Finally, your economic theory idea doesn't work because these people actually don't have an advantage. In fact they can have a fairly real disadvantage (beyond the obvious).
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:48 PM   #52
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I think what was meant is that the rules of a fair society were broken, not the WDW rules.
I totally agree, this is not about 1 family with a member, with a real disability.



This is about people hiring a guide to be part of their group and get them in ahead of everyone else. They are indeed abusing the GAC and disability rules, not to mention good manners.

This shows a over the top lack of manners, rudeness and lack of character and not knowing what is right and wrong. Not to mention its a hell of a thing to teach their kids!

It is particularly hurtful to the folks that do have real disabilities, especially as there is more and more talk about changing the GAC system , which may do more harm then good!


As I mentioned before just because you can do something , does NOT mean you should do something!


I hope Disney's investigation will stop the practice!
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:57 PM   #53
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I totally agree, this is not about 1 family with a member, with a real disability.

This is about people hiring a guide to be part of their group and get them in ahead of everyone else. They are indeed abusing the GAC and disability rules, not to mention good manners.

This shows a over the top lack of manners, rudeness and lack of character and not knowing what is right and wrong. Not to mention its a hell of a thing to teach their kids!

It is particularly hurtful to the folks that do have real disabilities, especially as there is more and more talk about changing the GAC system , which may do more harm then good!

As I mentioned before just because you can do something , does NOT mean you should do something!

I hope Disney's investigation will stop the practice!
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The tour guide apparently does have a 'real' disability. There is nothing wrong with her party using whatever access method that she does. Nor is there anything wrong with a disabled person becoming a tour guide.

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Old 05-16-2013, 02:13 PM   #54
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The tour guide apparently does have a 'real' disability. There is nothing wrong with her party using whatever access method that she does.
If it wasn't something of a problem, Disney wouldn't be investigating it now. They would have ignored or issued a statement.

Of course, that would have created a huge boom in the "disabled guide" business. Not that it wouldn't be a bad thing on the job front, but then a lot more people would be doing it, and it would just cause it to collapse.

It could be that this is against the authorized guide rules. Then again, I'm sure there is a healthy underground guide business too.

I probably didn't post it in this thread but one of the others...Disney can use their nextgen technology to solve this. Instead of allowing into an alternate line/entrance, issue a "Fastpass", with a return time based on the current standby time, and a narrow return time. Exclude them from being able to do this at another attraction until it expires. Essentially, the "Accessible Fastpass" is their virtual queue position, but they don't have to wait in the standby line still.
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The mere fact that a company looks into an issue doesn't mean that there is a problem.
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:17 PM   #56
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The tour guide apparently does have a 'real' disability. There is nothing wrong with her party using whatever access method that she does. Nor is there anything wrong with a disabled person becoming a tour guide.
I have stated the common courtesy/manners a society lives by and why it is indeed abuse. Reading the posts in various threads, it seems all but you agree.


Disney in investigating, the tours are shut down at least for now leads anyone to see there is a problem doing this.

I have nothing to add.


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The mere fact that a company looks into an issue doesn't mean that there is a problem.
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"It is unacceptable to abuse accommodations that were designed for guests with disabilities," spokesman Bryan Malenius told CNN Wednesday. "We are thoroughly reviewing the situation and will take appropriate steps to deter this type of activity."
Certainly sounds like Disney considers this a problem if it is happening.
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Certainly sounds like Disney considers this a problem if it is happening.
I agree!
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It is unacceptable to abuse these accommodations. That doesn't mean that they have found that the was an abuse. Ou are reading into that statement more than there is.
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I have stated the common courtesy/manners a society lives by and why it is indeed abuse. Reading the posts in various threads, it seems all but you agree.

Disney in investigating, the tours are shut down at least for now leads anyone to see there is a problem doing this.

I have nothing to add.

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Common manners/courtesy/sense are arguments that we frequently see, but the reality of t is that these things don't actually exist.
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