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Old 05-14-2013, 08:09 PM   #31
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I saw a woman pay for trying to cut off a scooter this past Sunday at Epcot.

A woman driving a scooter was driving down one of the alley-ways (don't know what else to call it) on the right hand side. There was a large planter in the center with brick work about six inches off the ground.

The scooter was turning left to cross into a store. There was not a single person coming up the sidewalk so the coast was clear. All of a sudden, a woman to the scooter's right, about 20 feet away, decided to make a run for it and cut off the scooter.

The woman on the scooter stopped in time from hitting her, but the woman trying to cut her off apparently didn't know the planter was there. She tripped and went airborne, flying over the planter and landing on the ground on the other side.

She laid there for a few like she was knocked out. I think she may have been drinking. People went to help her and tried to get up but her knee was badly hurt. I'll be she will think twice before doing that again.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:26 PM   #32
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My husband and I both use ECV's and finally gave up and bought orange flags from the bike store. They come with flexible poles and the hardware to attaché them to the bottom rear of the ECV. We added different Disney antenna balls to each of the flags. It was the antenna balls that really captured people's attention. We received several delighted comments from CM's, children, and even adults. It also made it much easier to find each other when we got "swallowed up" by the crowds!
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:46 PM   #33
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My husband and I both use ECV's and finally gave up and bought orange flags from the bike store. They come with flexible poles and the hardware to attaché them to the bottom rear of the ECV. We added different Disney antenna balls to each of the flags. It was the antenna balls that really captured people's attention. We received several delighted comments from CM's, children, and even adults. It also made it much easier to find each other when we got "swallowed up" by the crowds!
I like the flag idea, I'm stealing it and having it ready when I go out there. And antenna balls.

I noticed the attention/non-attention aspect in a different way. That story reminded me of an interesting observation I had from last year at DL. My mom and I ended up in WCs and we had volunteers from the family to help push. We'd gone into a store, and my mom and my SIL who was pushing me got distracted at a display. So I took off on my own in the store using my arms. I had been ignored when someone was pushing me, but as soon as I was on my own (but still in a WC), I had people offering to help me reach something (or bring something down to my level), people were getting out of the way more, etc. My experience was only limited to a few stores, but it was so different than what I'd seen a few minutes earlier that it was very noticeable.

So, anyone have any other ideas of how to make the ECVs more visible?
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:58 PM   #34
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My husband and I both use ECV's and finally gave up and bought orange flags from the bike store. They come with flexible poles and the hardware to attaché them to the bottom rear of the ECV. We added different Disney antenna balls to each of the flags. It was the antenna balls that really captured people's attention. We received several delighted comments from CM's, children, and even adults. It also made it much easier to find each other when we got "swallowed up" by the crowds!
That's awesome!! If I owned an ECV, I would have it all decked out. My dad has one and it makes me want to get him a flag and antenna ball.

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So I took off on my own in the store using my arms. I had been ignored when someone was pushing me, but as soon as I was on my own (but still in a WC), I had people offering to help me reach something (or bring something down to my level), people were getting out of the way more, etc. My experience was only limited to a few stores, but it was so different than what I'd seen a few minutes earlier that it was very noticeable.
Now, that's interesting. Since my ECV experience, I have been meaning to talk to my WC bound son about his experiences. I only talk to him on the phone since he lives 1,000 miles away so the subject hasn't come up. I hope since he drives himself in a manual WC, I hope he has had people be helpful rather than ignore him.

We do have a family WDW trip scheduled for November. It will be his first time on most of the rides since becoming a paraplegic. Thanks to info I've gotten here, he is looking forward to it.
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Old 05-15-2013, 09:29 AM   #35
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Oh so very true...though I have had positive and negative experiences In a manual WC with a family member pushing.

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One of the best experiences is that you're at the level of a lot of kids' faces, and you get to enjoy their excited reactions even more than their parents probably do!
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:08 PM   #36
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One of the best experiences is that you're at the level of a lot of kids' faces, and you get to enjoy their excited reactions even more than their parents probably do!
I had not thought of that! Thanks! That will give me something (other than Disney itself) to look at and look forward to when I'm there solo in an ECV, both for the first time.
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:21 PM   #37
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Thank you for your post! I use an ECV - and I have used the words "Am I invisible?" many times.

The funniest time was in Epcot several years ago. I was on my ECV. A French gentleman in his 20's was walking with two friends, looking at the Epcot map. A short time later - he was IN MY LAP, apologizing over & over again!

We all got a good laugh!

In answer to your post - yes! You ARE invisible on an ECV!
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Old 05-15-2013, 02:25 PM   #38
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I have often joked that I could rob a bank on my ECV and no one would see me do it!
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:09 PM   #39
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Now THAT is hysterically funny!
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:32 AM   #40
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I forgot about the scenic view from the ECV --- you are eye level with lots of adult backsides.
I am a full time wheelchair user - I call this "rear eye view." Not something you really want to see all day!

Yes, I am invisible. Unless I can be useful to a person, then, I can be seen and touched. I have been leaned on, stood on, and one person even used my push handles when dancing at a concert once. So, yes, my wheelchair can also be a stripper pole.

It is more than becoming invisible when you use a wheelchair. You cease to be a person. You notice even that foul article in the NY Post kept talking about the "Handicapped," not the PERSON with the disability as if we become the disability.

Sometimes I feel we are more than disabled, we actually cease to be, and just become wheels, illness, and inconvenience.

The other option is that we become the cute new puppy in the room, with everyone wanting me to do "tricks" in my wheelchair. Next time someone asks me to do tricks I am going to start barking and ask for a cookie.
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Old 05-16-2013, 01:57 PM   #41
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This thread is absolutely why I do not use my ECV at Disney. It's bad enough in my WC but at least I'm not getting the stress. My DD usually pushes me and she can be quite verbal if someone starts being nasty after they have walked into me. I had one man who was trying to take a picture keep moving backward toward me. We kept trying to avoid him but he just kept coming. When he finally fell on me he actually started yelling at me. It can be so embarrassing. I'm starting to dread each trip and I love WDW.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:30 PM   #42
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I So, yes, my wheelchair can also be a stripper pole.
Did they at least offer to share their dollar bills take with you?

Actually, it never ceases to amaze me how people that are complete strangers feel it is perfectly acceptable to lean on the back of the scooter. Not to mention how tempting of a seat it becomes when stowed on the bus. Think about it people, if it was safe to sit on don't you think I would be staying on the cushy captain chair and not the hard, narrow bus seat?
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:46 PM   #43
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I've had this problem as well. My husband nearly punched a guy on a boat in Epcot who sat down on the arm of my ecv. I had no idea that this was happening to other people too!

I like the flag idea, I wonder if it would help my experience at all. I leave for WDW again in three weeks maybe I need to head over to Toys R Us and see what I can find. I want a pink one
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:51 PM   #44
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Yes, I am invisible. Unless I can be useful to a person, then, I can be seen and touched.
Exactly.

This part just blows my mind. Having a woman sit on my leg was just beyond bizarre. If I was sitting on a bench, would she have felt that was acceptable?
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:23 PM   #45
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Exactly.

This part just blows my mind. Having a woman sit on my leg was just beyond bizarre. If I was sitting on a bench, would she have felt that was acceptable?
Hmm. I wonder if I need to take a few hat pins with me to encourage them to move on....
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