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Old 05-05-2013, 06:22 PM   #31
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Thank you for condescending to educate me about what it is like to raise a "normal" child. Our son with the disabilities is not our only child; so, we are well aware of the difference. The level of adjustment in life goes way beyond that of typical child when you have a child with a disability.

Like I said in the last line of my post, there is more judgment (for using a GAC) on the disabilities forum than anywhere else. I am not advocating that people "abuse" the GAC. I am just saying that we shouldn't make people feel guilty for needing to use the GAC.

If Disney did not offer the GAC, we would not be able to go to WDW.

Many of the "only use the GAC when you absolutely have to" or "you don't need a GAC for just a few attractions" posts come off as if people are saying a person isn't disabled enough to use a GAC. We are supposed to be here to help each other, not judge each other.
I'm sorry if you thought I was being condescending. I didnt mean it that way. Sometimes we all need perspective and I meant to help. I was agreeing with you, BTW about the "not disabled enough" conversations, and even opened with saying so.
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I don't know about this. My whole life has been rearranged around my son's needs. Often we are unable to plan to make our own accommodations because that would interfere with other accommodations we have made. Does everything in life always have to be harder just because we have a child with a disability? Without a GAC we would probably only see 1/3 of the parks that the average, dis person sees. That doesn't seem like overuse to me. I think that if you need a GAC, Disney wants you to use it. Honestly, it isn't that much of an accommodation to begin with. We still have to give up lots of characters and it doesn't shorten waits at restaurants or anything. Why should people feel guilty about using a GAC? It isn't like they planned to be disabled or have a child with a disability.

People with disabilities work much harder than other people just to tour the park with a GAC. I am not dragging my son back and forth across the park to collect fastpasses or ruining his whole day just to make rope drop. We too use fastpasses when it is reasonable for us to do so, but the point of the GAC is to level the playing field for people with invisible disabilities. We give up a lot of things, and my son has had to adjust to the cruel way the world is the rest of the time. It is nice that Disney offers a way for us to enjoy our vacations like most other vacationers.

Seriously, I feel more guilt and judgment on the disabilities board than I do anywhere else on the board.

so very well said! i too have a handicap daughter 17 spina bifida, and in a wheelchair. It is so much harder for our special kids in the park. we have always waited in line for rides buses, dinner whatever just like everyone else until last year. my daughter has begun to get anxiety attacks while waitng in some lines due to the fact she sits down in the crowds and people and their kids are leaning on her chair, banging in to her and not to mention the kids basically staring right at her constantly. we will use our GAC when needed. Yes there are people who misuse it, just like people misuse the handicp parking. People somtimes just dont understand. Please everyone be understanding of our kids and their disabilities. they love the parks just as everyone else does.
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:01 AM   #33
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so very well said! i too have a handicap daughter 17 spina bifida, and in a wheelchair. It is so much harder for our special kids in the park. we have always waited in line for rides buses, dinner whatever just like everyone else until last year. my daughter has begun to get anxiety attacks while waitng in some lines due to the fact she sits down in the crowds and people and their kids are leaning on her chair, banging in to her and not to mention the kids basically staring right at her constantly. we will use our GAC when needed. Yes there are people who misuse it, just like people misuse the handicp parking. People somtimes just dont understand. Please everyone be understanding of our kids and their disabilities. they love the parks just as everyone else does.
I HATE how both adults and kids think that they can just lean on your chair. I had a woman yell at me last year when I politely said to her daughter, "Please don't lean on my chair." I wasn't rude at all to her, but the mother flipped out on me. I calmly explained to the mother that a chair or other mobility device is an extension of a person's body and as such should not be touched without permission. I'm sure that people wouldn't lean on a stranger's shoulder the way that some think they can lean on a chair. This all happened when we were leaving Fantasmic. We just stay put until the crowd thins some. This kid was practically draping herself over the back of my chair.

I definitely understand where some of your daughter's anxiety comes from. As for kids staring, I usually make eye contact and smile. The child will either smile back or look away because they were caught staring. If they still stare, I might say VERY politely, "Would you like to ask me a question?" Most kids stop at that point. Sometimes someone does ask a question, usually something like, "Why do you need a chair?" Or "Why are your legs like that?" My brief explanation is that the bones in my legs weren't formed like most people's which makes it difficult to walk. At this point most parents are mortified. Most days I don't mind questions. Kids are curious. Some days though the staring does bug me.
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my daughter has begun to get anxiety attacks while waitng in some lines due to the fact she sits down in the crowds and people and their kids are leaning on her chair, banging in to her and not to mention the kids basically staring right at her constantly.
When she still fit my daughter would stay in the stroller to get away from people and because she can't walk for too long. We found that people bumped into her less (and stopped trying to walk right over the stroller! ) when we put a rain cover over her. Obviously that can't be a constant thing, but even getting a netting sort of hides you out a bit if that's possible. Maybe you can get a similar effect with some sort of sun shade, it puts something up at eye level for other people and might make it seem like she has more of a defined space. Now that my daughter isn't in the stroller though she still gets upset because at Disney people will lean right on her or walk into her while she is just standing there.
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I HATE how both adults and kids think that they can just lean on your chair. I had a woman yell at me last year when I politely said to her daughter, "Please don't lean on my chair." I wasn't rude at all to her, but the mother flipped out on me. I calmly explained to the mother that a chair or other mobility device is an extension of a person's body and as such should not be touched without permission. I'm sure that people wouldn't lean on a stranger's shoulder the way that some think they can lean on a chair. This all happened when we were leaving Fantasmic. We just stay put until the crowd thins some. This kid was practically draping herself over the back of my chair.

I definitely understand where some of your daughter's anxiety comes from. As for kids staring, I usually make eye contact and smile. The child will either smile back or look away because they were caught staring. If they still stare, I might say VERY politely, "Would you like to ask me a question?" Most kids stop at that point. Sometimes someone does ask a question, usually something like, "Why do you need a chair?" Or "Why are your legs like that?" My brief explanation is that the bones in my legs weren't formed like most people's which makes it difficult to walk. At this point most parents are mortified. Most days I don't mind questions. Kids are curious. Some days though the staring does bug me.
good answer. i used to always tell the kids my daughters legs are weak and thats why she wears the braces and has a chair. they say ok and go on their way. sometimes its more the adults than the kids. i feel so bad for my daughter when people stare she just puts her head down. its not an easy life for a teenager, breaks my heart
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Old 05-07-2013, 06:59 PM   #36
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Many here on the disabilities board seem to have an attitude that is "use the GAC but only if there is no other possible way for you to tour the park". Seriously? That is like saying someone in a wheelchair should only use the wheelchair access for a sidewalk if they are unable to jump the curb with the chair. Yeah, it is possible for some, but extremely difficult.
I really think that the message we're trying to get across is "A GAC is not a cure-all" Many, many times, I've seen people post here about a problem they're having. They've heard of the GAC and want to know if they qualify. They may or may not need a GAC - none of us are qualified to know. But a GAC frequently isn't the best tool for the job. It's much more akin to "There's a curb-cut here, but there isn't another one for awhile and the sidewalk tends to be crowded. You might be better off just wheeling down Main Street."

I understand how useful a GAC can be. I usually have one. But it's not the best tool in my arsenal. On my last WDW trip I used it once. My last DL trip, I was more frustrated using it than not using it. Clearly, your mileage varies - but that doesn't make my experience any less accurate.
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I really think that the message we're trying to get across is "A GAC is not a cure-all" Many, many times, I've seen people post here about a problem they're having. They've heard of the GAC and want to know if they qualify. They may or may not need a GAC - none of us are qualified to know. But a GAC frequently isn't the best tool for the job. It's much more akin to "There's a curb-cut here, but there isn't another one for awhile and the sidewalk tends to be crowded. You might be better off just wheeling down Main Street."

I understand how useful a GAC can be. I usually have one. But it's not the best tool in my arsenal. On my last WDW trip I used it once. My last DL trip, I was more frustrated using it than not using it. Clearly, your mileage varies - but that doesn't make my experience any less accurate.
This is very true, you still need to plan. That being said, a GAC can make things easier. At Disneyland, there are many times where I don't need to use it due to how the queues work when they are shorter. But at WDW, I often find that I need to use the GAC, even on the shorter wait times, due to how the queues work.

So, it is definitely a YMMV thing.
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I really think that the message we're trying to get across is "A GAC is not a cure-all" Many, many times, I've seen people post here about a problem they're having. They've heard of the GAC and want to know if they qualify. They may or may not need a GAC - none of us are qualified to know. But a GAC frequently isn't the best tool for the job. It's much more akin to "There's a curb-cut here, but there isn't another one for awhile and the sidewalk tends to be crowded. You might be better off just wheeling down Main Street."

I understand how useful a GAC can be. I usually have one. But it's not the best tool in my arsenal. On my last WDW trip I used it once. My last DL trip, I was more frustrated using it than not using it. Clearly, your mileage varies - but that doesn't make my experience any less accurate.
Well put -
Exactly what most of us are saying.
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This is very true, you still need to plan. That being said, a GAC can make things easier. At Disneyland, there are many times where I don't need to use it due to how the queues work when they are shorter. But at WDW, I often find that I need to use the GAC, even on the shorter wait times, due to how the queues work.

So, it is definitely a YMMV thing.
Agree.

That's a good reason why it's important to know that using a GAC might possibly mean a shorter, the same or a longer wait. Expecting the wait to always be shorter doesn't give people the information they need to plan what would work best in their situation.
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Hi, I didn't read all the responses just some, here's my 2 cents

Your son has a debilitating condition whether it's temporary or permanent but it's real to him, therefore he would be entitled to the GAC and you would use it as needed. I don't see a single thing wrong with asking for one next time. As for that rude man behind you, oh boy, he's lucky he wasn't sitting behind my husband! yikes, how rude!

My son has Asperger's and a tethered spine, along with 2 extra bones in his feet that are only attached to tendons and he can't walk a long way (we're hoping he doesn't have to have his operation before our vacation, we'll find out June 17th). I also have my own disabilities, but that's another story. He has a gate in his walk so if he was sitting in the handicapped area, no one would know unless he was walking that he had a handicap. He doesn't want to be in a wheelchair at Disney and would rather just walk and rest, he's a 15 year old and doesn't like people treating him differently, but he's very aware of his pain and limitations. Again, if someone kept yapping about "handicap, handicap" while we were sitting there, I would be furious. Just because someone doesn't "look" handicapped enough for them, where do they get off shouting it out reminding the child that they're handicapped? Especially when this guy has a great seat himself.

I hope it didn't put a damper on your vacation, but by all means, please get your son a GAC next time so he doesn't have to listen to some rude adult call him out next time.
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My son has a disorder called cvs (Cyclic vomiting syndrome) anxiety triggers it but sometime he has to run to the bathroom when he has to go he has to go ether throw up or IBS (on the potty for a long time) type situation this is our first trip to Disney I know this will be a high anxiety situation for him by the way he is 13 . Can he get a disability pass so he can get into the bathroom not have to wait in line he may not be able to wait .
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My son has a disorder called cvs (Cyclic vomiting syndrome) anxiety triggers it but sometime he has to run to the bathroom when he has to go he has to go ether throw up or IBS (on the potty for a long time) type situation this is our first trip to Disney I know this will be a high anxiety situation for him by the way he is 13 . Can he get a disability pass so he can get into the bathroom not have to wait in line he may not be able to wait .
He will still have to wait, it will just be in a different place, that will be easier for him to get out of to run to the bathroom. Others may say that this is not the case, let's just say that I know what I speak of on this one.
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He will still have to wait, it will just be in a different place, that will be easier for him to get out of to run to the bathroom. Others may say that this is not the case, let's just say that I know what I speak of on this one.


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No not the line for rides the line for the bathroom Idon't care a bought lines for rides he usually will be in there for an hour so no need to save his spot we could ride twice by the time he gets out.
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No not the line for rides the line for the bathroom Idon't care a bought lines for rides he usually will be in there for an hour so no need to save his spot we could ride twice by the time he gets out.
There isn't any way to get faster access to the bathrooms - other than explaining quickly that you have an emergency and asking to go ahead.

Not sure if that's what you're asking or not.
What does he do in other public places? The same thing would work at Disney World.
The other thing would be to make sure he always has a park map with him. There are lots of bathrooms at WDW and thy are well marked on the maps.
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The men's rooms rarely have a line, so no need to worry there.
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