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Old 04-21-2013, 09:31 PM   #1
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Are you a DVC expert? Are you patient? Great! New member needs some help!

Hi everyone!

Just purchased an AKL resale contract and couldn't be happier! Got my membership ID in the mail Saturday and called and made reservations the same day.

Here is where I could use some help...I wasn't following exactly what the Member Services rep was telling me, and I figured the DisBoards was probably the better place to ask!

I have:
74 banked 2011 points
100 2012 points
100 2013 points
December Use Year

Trips I am taking:
HHI - November, 6 nights, 160 points
AKL - January, 4 nights in a value studio, 38 points

This is my problem...I didn't realize banked points can only be used on reservations 60 days out or less. The rep told me that if I wanted to make my HHI reservation, then I would have to borrow 2013 points, and once borrowed, that is final and cannot be "taken back". So I don't want to do that, whatever that means. And I can't use the banked points because the reservation is 7 months out. So she only booked 4 nights equaling 100 points exactly and told me to call back in September to add two days using the banked points. Well, here is hoping the middle of November is dead at HHI and I am able to add dates!

I have 174 points I have to use by November 30th, 2013. My HHI reservation is 160 points. I have to bank the 2012 points by July. I'm trying to figure out how I can possibly not lose those extra 14 points. Should I cancel one more of the HHI days now, and bank those extra 2012 points in July, then add three nights in September using the banked points?

If I do that, and I want to use the 14 banked points for my January trip, do I just have to call member services and cancel one day then re-add it?

If you followed this, you are a saint. I hope this makes sense. Thanks in advance!
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:41 PM   #2
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I am not an expert by any means but I don't think that is correct about banked points only being able to be used for trips within 60 days. If they are in holding that is true but not banked. I would call back and question that.
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:42 PM   #3
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I'm sorry, they are in holding...I just checked. And admit I didn't realize that was different from banked. How do points become in holding?
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:43 PM   #4
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I am by far NOT an expert - but I know enough to be dangerous and use my points

Since your UY is December

2011 points are used for reservations 12/1/11 - 11/30/12 (past)
2012 points are used for reservations 12/1/12 - 11/30/13 (you have 174 pts)
2013 points are used for reservations 12/1/13 - 11/30/14 (you have 100 points)

Your November reservations (you didn't mention the dates) so I will assume that they're before 11/30/13, so you'd want to use the 74 2011 banked points first + 86 2012 points. After this vacation, you'd have 14 2012 points left.

Your January reservation falls in the 2013 UY. So you can't use the remaining 14 2012 poins unless you bank it for 2013. So bank that first, then you will use the 14 2012 points first + 24 2013 points for your AKL reservation.

After that vacation, you'd have 76 2013 points left. No wasted points.

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didn't realize banked points can only be used on reservations 60 days out or less
This is NOT true of banked points. This is true about holding points though. Banked points can be used for the whole banked UY. In the case of your 2011 banked points thru 11/30/13.

I also want to point out (in case you don't know yet) -- that making November reservations with December UY is very risky because late cancellations will put your points in holding with no more room to use them.
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:43 PM   #5
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I'm sorry, they are in holding...I just checked. And admit I didn't realize that was different from banked. How do points become in holding?
Points go into Holding if a reservation is cancelled or modified and uses fewer points at 30 days or less from arrival.
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I'm sorry, they are in holding...I just checked. And admit I didn't realize that was different from banked. How do points become in holding?
When a reservation is canceled within 30 days of arrival, the points are returned to the account as "Holding" points where they can only be used to make a reservation within 60 days of arrival. These points cannot be banked and will expire at the end of the Use Year of the reservation.
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:46 PM   #7
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I am by far NOT an expert - but I know enough to be dangerous and use my points

Since your UY is December

2011 points are used for reservations 12/1/11 - 11/30/12 (past)
2012 points are used for reservations 12/1/12 - 11/30/13 (you have 174 pts)
2013 points are used for reservations 12/1/13 - 11/30/14 (you have 100 points)

Your November reservations (you didn't mention the dates) so I will assume that they're before 11/30/13, so you'd want to use the 74 2011 banked points first + 86 2012 points. After this vacation, you'd have 14 2012 points left.

Your January reservation falls in the 2013 UY. So you can't use the remaining 14 2012 poins unless you bank it for 2013. So bank that first, then you will use the 14 2012 points first + 24 2013 points for your AKL reservation.

After that vacation, you'd have 76 2013 points left. No wasted points.


This is NOT true of banked points. This is true about holding points though. Banked points can be used for the whole banked UY. In the case of your 2011 banked points thru 11/30/13.
Thanks for your help, sorry I messed up, they are in holding. Boo!

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Points go into Holding if a reservation is cancelled or modified and uses fewer points at 30 days or less from arrival.
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Old 04-21-2013, 09:49 PM   #8
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As to borrowing, once you borrow, you can not return them to the year you borrowed from. Borrowing is a final transaction.
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As to borrowing, once you borrow, you can not return them to the year you borrowed from. Borrowing is a final transaction.
Thank you, I didn't realize that as well. I was so focused on the other rules and didn't read much about this, mostly because we plan our vacations so far in advance and are so flexible (and have never had reason to cancel thankfully)...
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I edited my original post to add this (not sure if you saw):

I also want to point out (in case you don't know yet) -- that making November reservations with December UY is very risky because late cancellations will put your points in holding with no more room to use them


But back to the original question:

To NOT lose your 74 points, just try booking HHI with your points 60 days out. Am not sure what dates in November, but unless its the Thanksgiving week - I don't know how booked HHI gets in November and you might be able to book rooms that close to the dates.

You don't want to borrow from your 2013 because if you had to cancel (because the above points work out), you won't be able to bring it back to 2013 and you'd STILL have to use them by 11/30/13 (see my first paragraph).
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I edited my original post to add this (not sure if you saw):

I also want to point out (in case you don't know yet) -- that making November reservations with December UY is very risky because late cancellations will put your points in holding with no more room to use them


But back to the original question:

To NOT lose your 74 points, just try booking HHI with your points 60 days out. Am not sure what dates in November, but unless its the Thanksgiving week - I don't know how booked HHI gets in November and you might be able to book rooms that close to the dates.

You don't want to borrow from your 2013 because if you had to cancel (because the above points work out), you won't be able to bring it back to 2013 and you'd STILL have to use them by 11/30/13 (see my first paragraph).
Thanks! I wish we were able to go to HHI earlier than November, but we are bringing my parents with us and have to work around my mom's work vacations. We will be out of luck if we have to cancel!! But as long as we are all healthy, we are going!

We are going the week before Thanksgiving. I'm really hoping that most people wouldn't travel the week before Thanksgiving to HHI traditionally! I am SUCH a planner, and waiting until 60 days out gives me anxiety, ha! But I also want to use all the holding points, you know?

Thanks for your help!
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Now if I do that, is it easy to use the 14 2012 banked points for my January trip? I just call MS and have them fix that right?
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Thank you, I didn't realize that as well. I was so focused on the other rules and didn't read much about this, mostly because we plan our vacations so far in advance and are so flexible (and have never had reason to cancel thankfully)...
To be safe your December UY is great for vacations December - July. Vacations August - November, should you have to cancel, it's too late to bank. Having the correct UY can be free insurance.

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Holding points can be tough to use, at only 60 days notice. Since you have enough points in your 2012 & 2013 allocations to cover your 2 planned trips, why not use them & rent out the banked 2011 holding points? They need to be used before Nov 30th & can only be used 60 days out.

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Holding points can be tough to use, at only 60 days notice. Since you have enough points in your 2012 & 2013 allocations to cover your 2 planned trips, why not use them & rent out the banked 2011 holding points? They need to be used before Nov 30th & can only be used 60 days out.

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I don't really want to I this only because we want to take two more short trips in 2013 so I wanted to have those to use, too...otherwise I would!
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