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Old 04-07-2013, 04:01 PM   #31
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I have received information from a very reliable source.

As many are aware, today has been the last day for both the Pixar Parade and the Disney Channel Rocks Parade/show. The Pixar Parade would come in close to the entry gates; the Disney Channel Rocks would both come in and depart close to the entry gates.

Both of these parades use many wireless microphones and many other electronics for control purposes. It was found that all of these when coming close to the entry area at DHS they have been causing interference with the wireless controls for the touch points and the reading to the hand-held devices for the people working the entry.

Until such time as they are able to prevent any interference there will be no parades.

Additionally, it has been found that the AK Parade causes interference in some of the merchandise locations with the RFID touch pad sensors.
This sounds like some sort of reasoning based on what a techie type said they thought might happen. Or someone was speculating about reasons and this was one of them. But really ... the Pixar parade didn't use wireless microphones at all -- it was done completely to track, with no live singers or actors. And the DCR kids didn't sing live on the float -- they only sang live once they were in-show. The drive-in / drive-out music (when they were near the entrance) was on track. So ... no microphone interference there either.

If this were true, then every single parade and outdoor-venue stage show at WDW would need to be discontinued, as would IllumiNations and Fantasmic! -- because they all use "many wireless microphones and many other electronics for control purposes". And let's not even talk about the number of wireless radios, headsets and other communication devices that are used property-wide. Plus the control systems for the rides and attractions, and even the vast number of wireless walkie-talkies and radios that guests bring in.

I think it's far more likely that the two were cancelled because of their survey ratings and because they share a cast, making it difficult to cancel one and not the other and still keep the performers employed full-time. Canceling both shows allows those performers to be rescheduled into other parks and other parades / shows much more efficiently.

As for the interference problems, I'm sure there are issues the tech teams are working on that will solve those. They run into the same frequency issues every time a new show, parade or spectacular opens.

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Old 04-07-2013, 04:01 PM   #32
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You've never been wrong Cheshire and this seems about right. Not to mention the parade wasn't too good to alot of people.
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Old 04-07-2013, 05:03 PM   #33
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This seems very probable to me also. I have years in the telecommunications industry and RF interference is a common problem. There are many proprietary systems out there on vary frequencies and most of the time these are static systems or designed to cover mobile use in well-defined areas such as a warehouse.

They could also redesign the gate and store readers with better shielding but that would certainly conflict with the cool look of the gate readers.

I am guessing they have to source a new system for whatever they were using at the studios to get around it.
Ok but if this is true, wouldn't they just have put the parade and show down for rehab and fix the problem? Why would they cancel it?
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Old 04-07-2013, 05:11 PM   #34
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My understanding when they first announced the closure was that because of some construction that's going to be taking place some of the float tracks would be blocked along the parade route. Not sure what the truth of the matter is but that seems more likely than radio interference. It would seem if that was the case MK would have the same set of issues. Hopefully there will be a new and hopefully improved parade in the near future.
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Old 04-07-2013, 05:22 PM   #35
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....the Pixar parade didn't use wireless microphones at all -- it was done completely to track, with no live singers or actors.
Isn't there music coming from the floats? If so, then there's your wireless technology. It's not exactly microphones, but it is indeed wireless signal transmission.
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Old 04-07-2013, 05:33 PM   #36
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Old 04-07-2013, 05:36 PM   #37
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Isn't there music coming from the floats? If so, then there's your wireless technology. It's not exactly microphones, but it is indeed wireless signal transmission.
There's music coming from a parade system, but whether that's sourced at each float or via a zone audio system (like at MK), I'm not certain.

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Nothing surprises me, but I also suspect that the corporate downsizing intended to reduce personnel costs companywide may also be the culprit. Disney may need a reason and technology conflicts may be a bit too convenient. All news reports about the layoffs and personnel cuts indicate that the parks would not be spared. Reduced EMH and fewer parades may be Walt Disney World's easiest way to cut costs for Iger's corporate cuts.
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:10 PM   #39
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I don't know. I don't really buy it. Microphones and other communication devices don't normally interfere with RFID. Wireless LAN signals would be more likely to cause interference and Disney just recently upgraded their wireless infrastructure in all the parks so they must have already thought of possible interference

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I said pretty much the same thing on the FB post... the end of the parades was announced here over a month ago.
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RFI with RFID?

Ya know, someone should have said when they were proposing this system - "What Frequency Does This Operate At?"

There are only a couple of common frequencies for RFID. Some are commonly in use, like 2.4-5.8 GHZ (WiFi / Bluetooth), where others are less commonly in use, like 13.56 & 433MHZ. The less commonly used ones are also most commonly used for short range (<50').

Did they just mess up and pick the wrong one, or were they trying to hedge their bet and make sure the readers would read, even at a "distance". I'd be concerned at the latter - I know you can read RFID from a real distance away, and I'd rather not be ID'd, location-wise, from every cashier's stand in the park.

Does anyone out there know what style / frequency the current RFID systems use?

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So are they saying that the technology used in the parade is "obsolete"?

Gee, I hope the parade makes it back in less time than the Lights of Winter.
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So are they saying that the technology used in the parade is "obsolete"?

Gee, I hope the parade makes it back in less time than the Lights of Winter.
Took the thought right outa my head. That was the first thing I thought of....wonder if they're going to call it 'obsolete technology'???
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Ya know, someone should have said when they were proposing this system - "What Frequency Does This Operate At?"

There are only a couple of common frequencies for RFID. Some are commonly in use, like 2.4-5.8 GHZ (WiFi / Bluetooth), where others are less commonly in use, like 13.56 & 433MHZ. The less commonly used ones are also most commonly used for short range (<50').

Did they just mess up and pick the wrong one, or were they trying to hedge their bet and make sure the readers would read, even at a "distance". I'd be concerned at the latter - I know you can read RFID from a real distance away, and I'd rather not be ID'd, location-wise, from every cashier's stand in the park.

Does anyone out there know what style / frequency the current RFID systems use?

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The cancellations of the parade and DCR have nothing at all to do with RFID frequencies. If it did, they'd have to close most of the shows and parades at WDW and disallow personal wireless communication devices from Guests and CMs. This does not seem likely.

Although the Lights of Winter comment did run through my head too ...

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Ya know, someone should have said when they were proposing this system - "What Frequency Does This Operate At?"
Was there someone named "Kenneth" involved in designing these systems?
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