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Old 04-02-2013, 01:41 PM   #31
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A new car for us is different than a new car for Disney. This CAN be a relatively easy financial question. They will depreciate the value of the ship over time, add factor costs for maintenance and upkeep. They also look at bottom line DCL financial statements. They will want to ensure that investments to the bottom line, like adding new ships is subtracted from the gross profit. You have to also factor increase or decrease of fillable rooms. The more ships they own, the easier it will be to take out a ship. But, with 4 ships they need all of them sailing. With 4 ships, 1 removed could impact sells by up to 25%. If they add 2 ships for a total of 6, the overall loss of cash flow could be reduced to about 15%.

At what point would you get rid of the car that is paid off, looks nice, and has minimal upkeep.

One point might be when the inovation of other cruise lines, forces you to come up with something new and abandon.

It's like the expansions at WDW and other parks. Do they truly need new stuff??? No, but they continue to invest their profits into new INOVATIONS.

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20,000 legues under the sea ride at WDW is a good example. I'm sure maintenacne costs were high for that ride due to rust and corrosion...and it was a 'slow' ride with limited capacity so they were not getting much bang for the buck. Likewise the skyway to Tommorrowland....only a handful of participants, high liabily/safety costs.....retired.

I agree DCL will need to keep up with industry and with technology. I think they can do that thru refurb to a large extent.

I think Disney does a good job responding to 'demand'. Which is why I expect them to announce new ships in the near future.
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"Cruise ships have a life cycle like anything else. They are generally at their peak relative to the competition on the day they are launched. If they are maintained at the highest standards, they can still be beautiful and immaculate after 20 or 30 years. But new cruise ships get better and better all the time, and sooner or later, older ships become non-competitive with new builds in terms of technology and design. Eventually, all ships become non-viable in the same way that a very nice, old house eventually becomes a tear-down."
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20,000 legues under the sea ride at WDW is a good example. I'm sure maintenacne costs were high for that ride due to rust and corrosion...and it was a 'slow' ride with limited capacity so they were not getting much bang for the buck. Likewise the skyway to Tommorrowland....only a handful of participants, high liabily/safety costs.....retired.

I agree DCL will need to keep up with industry and with technology. I think they can do that thru refurb to a large extent.

I think Disney does a good job responding to 'demand'. Which is why I expect them to announce new ships in the near future.
Yea, the problem wth rides like the 20,000 leagues is that the equipment stops and that about 20 people were on at a time. Seems like long ago.....

DISNEY is getting very good at creating rides and attractions that keep you and the flow of traffic moving at all times. Some rides like the Safari ride at AK, It's A Small World, will never be fully automated, but I can continue to see the trend for non-stopping rides to maximize customer flow.
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Captain Fabian said that he expects the classic ships to last much longer than 20 years, because they are very well maintained compared to other cruise lines.
Cruise ships should last around 50 years in total life. The Magic and Wonder should be with DCL for at least 15-20 more years.

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Someone suggested we talk about what we would like to see on the "New New" ships.

They need to FIX Evolution / The Tube!!!

Yep, its pretty cool to look at - AND they ARE proud of it. But they screwed it up!!!

When there is a popular nighttime performer, you can't see from the back at all. They need to do a better job of creating "Tiers" even if there was a stage to perform on. We were late to a show one night and even standing up in the booths in the back we could not see. They have those stinking tall tables and chairs in the "second layer" of viewing. (In my mind there are about 4 layers of seating - from the front row to the booths in the back). They should be "behind" the booths in the back.

Rockin' Bar D and Wavebands at least have a stage for performers to do their shows on.

Evolution / The Tube are a more "intimate" experience that the Walt Disney Theater, because the performers can "come out into the audience" and its a smaller venue that is appropriate for late night acts, but the WDT is better at giving everyone a chance to actually see the performer(s).
I agree, it's a very large space without good sight lines. It's too oblong to be good for sight lines. They also need to get chairs that people can sit upon without risk of sliding out.
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From Vacation to go:

"Cruise ships have a life cycle like anything else. They are generally at their peak relative to the competition on the day they are launched. If they are maintained at the highest standards, they can still be beautiful and immaculate after 20 or 30 years. But new cruise ships get better and better all the time, and sooner or later, older ships become non-competitive with new builds in terms of technology and design. Eventually, all ships become non-viable in the same way that a very nice, old house eventually becomes a tear-down."
"Immaculate" is different than working life... eventually humans are no longer immaculate but still are capable of work.
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The last B52 airplane was built in 1962....85 of them remain in service. It is expected they will continue to fly as out into 2040 and beyond.

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The oldest active ocean passenger ship is nearly 60 years old now. She is rather famous as well, after having a *run in* with the Andrea Doria. Her name now is the *Athena*, anyone guess at her original name?

But as noted before, most cruise liners have a 30 year life span as a 1st rater (meaning in the prime North American and European service). However that does require excellent maintenance and care.

That 30 year figure could be longer now as most all cruise liner today are diesel electric powered and have a longer life span then steam powered vessels and the maintenance/replacement costs are less.

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The oldest active ocean passenger ship is nearly 60 years old now. She is rather famous as well, after having a *run in* with the Andrea Doria. Her name now is the *Athena*, anyone guess at her original name?

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The oldest active ocean passenger ship is nearly 60 years old now. She is rather famous as well, after having a *run in* with the Andrea Doria. Her name now is the *Athena*, anyone guess at her original name?

But as noted before, most cruise liners have a 30 year life span as a 1st rater (meaning in the prime North American and European service). However that does require excellent maintenance and care.

That 30 year figure could be longer now as most all cruise liner today are diesel electric powered and have a longer life span then steam powered vessels and the maintenance/replacement costs are less.

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She was named MS Stockholm when she accidentally sent the Andrea Doria to the bottom on a foggy night.

Also, the QE2 was 40 years old when she retired. Monarch of the Seas just left RCCL's fleet yesterday after 22 years and will serve plenty more for RCI's smaller lines. She's headed to Freeport for some TLC and will serve as Monarch for Pullmantur Cruises. 20 years is nothing for a well maintained cruise ship.
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We just got back from our cruise aboard Disney Dream on the 28th of March and can confirm from several cast/crew members that they were told two new ships will be built. They all said smaller then Dream and Fantasty but larger then Magic and Wonder. Also said they will have the Aquaduck water coaster. They think one will be named the Disney Wish or Wishes and start sailing in 2015 or 2016 then second ship one year later. This appears to be true and expect official announcement soon.
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I just want this to be true! Maybe the cost of cruising will stabilize? I would love to go to Asia, Europe and Hawaii.
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She was named MS Stockholm when she accidentally sent the Andrea Doria to the bottom on a foggy night.

Also, the QE2 was 40 years old when she retired. Monarch of the Seas just left RCCL's fleet yesterday after 22 years and will serve plenty more for RCI's smaller lines. She's headed to Freeport for some TLC and will serve as Monarch for Pullmantur Cruises. 20 years is nothing for a well maintained cruise ship.
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she doesn't look much like she did, but the same vessel.


As to what caused the collision, most maritime investigations now say that both vessels were in error.

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We just got back from our cruise aboard Disney Dream on the 28th of March and can confirm from several cast/crew members that they were told two new ships will be built. They all said smaller then Dream and Fantasty but larger then Magic and Wonder. Also said they will have the Aquaduck water coaster. They think one will be named the Disney Wish or Wishes and start sailing in 2015 or 2016 then second ship one year later. This appears to be true and expect official announcement soon.


While I agree there will be 2 more vessels, both in the 100,000 ton range, I think its a bit to late for 2015 sailings..........At the earliest , in MHO, would be 2016, more likely 2017.

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