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Old 03-31-2013, 04:18 PM   #76
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Yet you have no problem with people questioning WDW for "not doing their job" and providing 100% security service for kids?
Really? I said that?
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Old 03-31-2013, 04:20 PM   #77
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Really? I said that?
Not that I can see.
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Old 03-31-2013, 04:41 PM   #78
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Really? I said that?
Well you did have a problem with people questioning the parents, but didn't seem to have a problem with people questioning WDW, so yeah in my mind you sort of did imply that.
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Old 03-31-2013, 04:46 PM   #79
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Well you did have a problem with people questioning the parents, but didn't seem to have a problem with people questioning WDW, so yeah in my mind you sort of did imply that.
Pretty giant leap.
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Old 03-31-2013, 04:48 PM   #80
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Pretty giant leap.
Not really. But we can disagree.
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Old 03-31-2013, 04:53 PM   #81
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Not really. But we can disagree.
And, there is a difference, between a disagreement and an insensitive attack.
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Old 03-31-2013, 05:02 PM   #82
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I'm just going to own up to being a "bad parent".

I've...

1) Dropped my 9yo DS off at pool parties and didn't stay to watch him (after all, I can't trust anyone else, right?).
2) Lost track of same DS at an AI pool last summer. Usually he was either on the way to or from the swim up bar.
3) Let DS & 7yo DD swim at hotel pools and not be in the pool with them. I also took my eyes off them while talking to other adults.

I'm still waiting for someone to say when you don't need to watch your kids 24/7/365.

Bottom line, accidents happen.
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Old 03-31-2013, 05:06 PM   #83
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Well you did have a problem with people questioning the parents, but didn't seem to have a problem with people questioning WDW, so yeah in my mind you sort of did imply that.
So by your line of thinking, not commenting on every post means you implicitly agree with it? Interesting view.
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I'm just going to own up to being a "bad parent".

I've...

1) Dropped my 9yo DS off at pool parties and didn't stay to watch him (after all, I can't trust anyone else, right?).
2) Lost track of same DS at an AI pool last summer. Usually he was either on the way to or from the swim up bar.
3) Let DS & 7yo DD swim at hotel pools and not be in the pool with them. I also took my eyes off them while talking to other adults.

I'm still waiting for someone to say when you don't need to watch your kids 24/7/365.

Bottom line, accidents happen.
That really is the bottom line. I hope he is okay.
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Old 03-31-2013, 05:18 PM   #85
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I'm just going to own up to being a "bad parent".

I've...

1) Dropped my 9yo DS off at pool parties and didn't stay to watch him (after all, I can't trust anyone else, right?).
2) Lost track of same DS at an AI pool last summer. Usually he was either on the way to or from the swim up bar.
3) Let DS & 7yo DD swim at hotel pools and not be in the pool with them. I also took my eyes off them while talking to other adults.

I'm still waiting for someone to say when you don't need to watch your kids 24/7/365.

Bottom line, accidents happen.
It is impossible to watch anyone 24/7/365. However, it is irresponsible to drop a 4 y/o off at a pool without a lifeguard. I'd think everyone would agree with that. I'm not saying that is what happened in this situation. I don't know all the details.

What is the cut-off age for a unattended child at a pool? There isn't one, imo. I always say I do not parent my kids based on age. There isn't a magic age where the child is suddenly ready to stay home alone, swim unsupervised, babysit, use a kitchen knife, etc. Every kid is different and parenting should be based on each individual child instead of some magic number. There is common sense though. While we can debate if 9 is old enough to swim alone, I can't imagine anyone debating if 4 is old enough to swim alone.
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Old 03-31-2013, 05:25 PM   #86
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It is impossible to watch anyone 24/7/365. However, it is irresponsible to drop a 4 y/o off at a pool without a lifeguard. I'd think everyone would agree with that. I'm not saying that is what happened in this situation. I don't know all the details.

What is the cut-off age for a unattended child at a pool? There isn't one, imo. I always say I do not parent my kids based on age. There isn't a magic age where the child is suddenly ready to stay home alone, swim unsupervised, babysit, use a kitchen knife, etc. Every kid is different and parenting should be based on each individual child instead of some magic number. There is common sense though. While we can debate if 9 is old enough to swim alone, I can't imagine anyone debating if 4 is old enough to swim alone.
I will whole heartedly agree with you. But many posters were criticizing the parents when it was reported the child was 9. Let's see...

"Parents should have been watching him"
"Parents need to be around more"
"There needs to be more responsibility of the parents"
"Parents need to be more responsible and not leave kids alone to swim"
"You can't just leave them at any pool anywhere at 9 or 10"

Need I go on? According to the above quotes, I (and DW) are "bad parents". So I thought I'd own up to it. I agree every child is different. But that doesn't stop people from judging the parents in this case, even though VERY little facts are known.
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Old 03-31-2013, 05:44 PM   #87
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It is impossible to watch anyone 24/7/365. However, it is irresponsible to drop a 4 y/o off at a pool without a lifeguard. I'd think everyone would agree with that. I'm not saying that is what happened in this situation. I don't know all the details.

What is the cut-off age for a unattended child at a pool? There isn't one, imo. I always say I do not parent my kids based on age. There isn't a magic age where the child is suddenly ready to stay home alone, swim unsupervised, babysit, use a kitchen knife, etc. Every kid is different and parenting should be based on each individual child instead of some magic number. There is common sense though. While we can debate if 9 is old enough to swim alone, I can't imagine anyone debating if 4 is old enough to swim alone.
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I will whole heartedly agree with you. But many posters were criticizing the parents when it was reported the child was 9. Let's see...

"Parents should have been watching him"
"Parents need to be around more"
"There needs to be more responsibility of the parents"
"Parents need to be more responsible and not leave kids alone to swim"
"You can't just leave them at any pool anywhere at 9 or 10"

Need I go on? According to the above quotes, I (and DW) are "bad parents". So I thought I'd own up to it. I agree every child is different. But that doesn't stop people from judging the parents in this case, even though VERY little facts are known.
Every child is different.

When something bad happens to a young child that *can* be avoidable through supervision, I think it's human nature to think perhaps the child could not handle the responsibility of managing him or herself. I would reflect upon that if I were in that situation the same as I would with others.

As far as this thread goes, I relate to my experience and what I would feel comfortable doing. I don't know the circumstances, just that the boy was alone.

Anyway, I am glad the boy is stable and hope for his continued recovery. That is the important thing.
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As far as this thread goes, I relate to my experience and what I would feel comfortable doing. I don't know the circumstances, just that the boy was alone.
But do we know that? Yes, we know his parents weren't there. But that doesn't mean he was alone. Was he with grandparents? Aunts? Uncles? Cousins? Siblings? Granted, I've only read what's on this thread and the single linked article, so there may be other information I don't know.
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Agreed.
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I'm sure many of you have seen this but wanted to provide the link again. 'Drowning Doesn't Look Like Drowning' is an important read.

http://mariovittone.com/2010/05/154/ ......
thanks for reposting. I wish everyone would take the time to read the article and send it to everyone they can. Here is a small part of it.


"To get an idea of just how quiet and undramatic from the surface drowning can be, consider this: It is the number two cause of accidental death in children, age 15 and under (just behind vehicle accidents) – of the approximately 750 children who will drown next year, about 375 of them will do so within 25 yards of a parent or other adult. In ten percent of those drownings, the adult will actually watch them do it, having no idea it is happening (source: CDC). "
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But do we know that? Yes, we know his parents weren't there. But that doesn't mean he was alone. Was he with grandparents? Aunts? Uncles? Cousins? Siblings? Granted, I've only read what's on this thread and the single linked article, so there may be other information I don't know.

Agreed.
The article mentioned the parents and siblings in the article and mentioned them leaving when the boy was removed from the area. No mention of any other family.
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