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Old 03-06-2013, 08:09 PM   #16
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Yeah if that happens which it won't just let the driver know at the parks you my see other drivers waiting to switch out drivers if someone being disrespectfully to you talk to them maybe they could talk to the guest in question. Well maybe the first day you could get to the first stop and then ride it to the next and get off so you could see it not bad and get it out of the way. With the new low floor buses it much quicker to load and unload not like the older buses where you had to use the lift and it took a little longer to load they still have some but very few so hopefully about the you go they got rid of them.
Hopefully yeah they will have all the newer buses. Thanks for all the help! I am feeling a bit better. I know it's a long way off still but I have been so excited about going ever since we decided last month that we will definitely be going. And I want to learn all I can between now and then.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:11 PM   #17
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Hopefully yeah they will have all the newer buses. Thanks for all the help! I am feeling a bit better. I know it's a long way off still but I have been so excited about going ever since we decided last month that we will definitely be going. And I want to learn all I can between now and then.
Yeah just focus on the fun stuff after your first ride your get the hang of it. It be a small part of your day.

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Old 03-06-2013, 10:14 PM   #19
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You have been given alot of good information and encouraging thoughts, two things that I learned when my mother used a scooter a year ago for the first time is : Although the drivers aren't supposed to help, they often would put the scooter in manual and move it into place once it was up the ramp, not only to ease my mother's fear of parking it but it helped speed things up for others, if they offered, we accepted. Secondly, it was far easier for me to drive it in for her and let her board with the 3 year old that was with us through the front door, every time but once the driver would have them enter the front while I drove it in the back door and park it or if it was already crowded on the bus they would just manually park it. This way she and my nephew got a seat and if the bus were to fill up, I would stand, I only wanted her to be able to sit due to balance issues.

So maybe an adult in the family would feel more comfortable driving it on and off the bus for you if you are able to enter the bus on foot? Even if you drive it on the bus, in most cases they ask you to move to a regular seat for safety reasons , so if you have to get up anyway, let one of the young folks with you do the parking when possible.

One last thought - try to travel to the parks and back to the resort at non peak times if at all possible, it was far more upsetting to my mother to try to deal with the scooter in the morning heading to the park when all the other early birds wanted to be on the bus too, and the worst times were after the fireworks at the various parks if that was also park closing time, we either skipped the fireworks and left early or stayed until after the fireworks, shopped our way out the park and let the worst of the crowd get ahead of us.

In any event, use the scooter, don't worry about what people think or even say, more people are nice than mean. I am sure there were negative thoughts and remarks as I drove from the mansions in POR to the food court every morning for coffee and diet coke, and in the evenings for supper for the 3 of us on the scooter because I am a pooh sized woman and "should be walking", this was 2 months before back surgery and at the time I could only tolerate walking a short distance without stopping due to pain, the distance I had to travel was bad enough without having to think about getting food back to them hot (they were too beat to go that distance at night), so scootering was the smartest choice
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Old 03-07-2013, 11:49 AM   #20
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Disney's bus drivers are some of the kindest & most helpful people in the world! You will NOT have any issues that they cannot handle. And - they will take care of everything with a smile.

They will ask you if you need help parking the ECV on the bus. They are used to this, and won't complain if you do need help. They will also ask if you need any help getting the ECV off of the bus.

Put your speed control to the lowest setting when going down the ramp to exit the bus. It automatically holds you back so that you feel safe.

No one knows how you feel physically. They shouldn't make nasty comments. I haven't ever had this happen to me. If someone does, ask them if you can please "borrow their legs"!

One last tip. Don't sit ON the ECV when the bus is in motion. There is another thread about someone who fell completely over on the ECV in the bus aisle, even while using a seat belt.

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Old 03-07-2013, 02:18 PM   #21
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I rented this exact same scooter just last week from Apple Scooters. It was my first time ever using a scooter and I was terrified of taking it on the buses. I worried about it every single day and dreaded what I thought was going to be a huge, embarrassing deal.

Turns out, I was worried for nothing. The drivers were fantastic and fast. The other guests were nothing but kind and helpful. Not once did I get so much as a dirty look.

There was always a scooter or two in just about every bus line. People were so used to it, I don't think anyone thought anything of it. I know I never noticed before I had to use one myself.



Thankfully, these kind of people are few and far between...even more so at Disney.

Using a scooter was such a positive experience. I wasted lots of worrying for nothing.

The scooter was not large and cumbersome. It was easy to drive and didn't appear over sized at all. When lined up parked along side others, I never saw one that was smaller looking. I only saw some that were larger.

Please try to relax! You will have a wonderful vacation and Disney transportation will take excellent care of you!
This makes me feel better! Thanks!

And thanks everyone for the encouraging words. I do feel better about it. I know driving back and forth to the parks every day would be a huge pain so I will give the buses a try. I am used to using ecv's at the store and such and I hear the rentals are even easier to maneuver so maybe it won't be too bad getting on the buses. I am sure I will worry till the trip comes but I am really really excited about going and you have made my concerns far lesser. What an awesome group y'all are!
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:01 PM   #22
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I use the deluxe scooters from walker and i've not had any problems fitting them on any boats or monorails. I haven't used the buses with them because I have my car with me always. But the scooter pieces are very heavy and bulky so you will need help if you break it down.
I've not had anyone give me much issue with the scooter.

It can get frustrating with people not noticing you because they are looking all around and you can get stepped over a lot. But just say excuse me LOUDLY (people are very distracted at disney).
Also be careful of running children. They tend to zip around quickly and cut in front of you in the blink of an eye. I've not hit any yet (knock on wood) but I did see an elderly woman run over and knock down a small toddler ACCIDENTALLY. The child just ran right in front of her and it's impossible to stop them on a dime.
Just keep your speed in the middle setting and with the walker models, you can just lightly touch the lever and it will go slowly and faster if you push a lil harder.
Turtle speed for everyone's safety.

It's also much easier to navigate on and off transportation in a slower speed with just a lil extra power to go up a hill.
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When I have problems parallel parking on the bus, the driver usually takes pity on me and does it for me -- expertly. Saves time in the long run.

Re: using turtle mode: earlier this week we were at Disneyland, and DGD age 16 kept switching my ECV to turtle mode so she could keep up with me easier.
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Old 03-18-2013, 06:26 AM   #24
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I just got back from 10 days with a scooter at aoa. I was worried too but dis ers encouragement helped me to decide to do it. Most bus drivers will park it on the bus for you and that is the only skilled task associated with it. You just drive it up a ramp onto the bus. We were always the first people at the bus stop so no one was bumped because of me. I rented from apple and they had a wonderful 3 wheeled scooter that was light and extremely easy to maneuver. I loved my experience. Only down side is that some bus drivers obviously didn't like to tie it down and a couple tried to "not notice" that I was waiting. I hate putting people out but the dis board helped me see that I am entitled to a good trip even with health issues. I told myself that I certainly would be nice to someone who needed an ecv if I drove a bus so rudeness is the driver's issue not mine. Go and have fun.
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My MIL is going with us this year and uses an ECV. She has no mobility below waist at all. When she boards the bus, will she have to move to a fixed seat? Are seats close enough that she can use her arms to scoot over or will we have to lift her? Trying to find out as much info as i can, she is extremely nervous ( but equally excited) to be going.
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My MIL is going with us this year and uses an ECV. She has no mobility below waist at all. When she boards the bus, will she have to move to a fixed seat? Are seats close enough that she can use her arms to scoot over or will we have to lift her? Trying to find out as much info as i can, she is extremely nervous ( but equally excited) to be going.
The drivers ask for safety reason to move to a seat and they are close to the tie down points . If she can't then they will put a seat belt on her even with it and it being tied down it still can tip so the best option and safest is to transfer to the seat. Maybe she could drive to a seat then you Park and the driver will tie it down.

Here a nice video of boarding a bus in a wheelchair the last 17 second your be able to see the seats and where they tie down the wheelchair it be the same for ecv.

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My MIL is going with us this year and uses an ECV. She has no mobility below waist at all. When she boards the bus, will she have to move to a fixed seat? Are seats close enough that she can use her arms to scoot over or will we have to lift her? Trying to find out as much info as i can, she is extremely nervous ( but equally excited) to be going.
Not videos, but some serial pictures:
Step one - the driver opens the back door and begins the lowering of the ramp.


The seats will be folded up to form a place for a wheelchair or ECV to park and the driver lowers the ramp.


The ramp is fully lowered and the guest (and up to 5 members of their party) are invited to board. Wait for the driver to let you know it is ready for you to board.


You may drive straight on the ramp or back on. Some people find backing in is easier because it requires less turning once you are on the bus.
There are still a few older buses with lifts. You do need to back onto the lift, but will drive forward onto the lift when getting off. This keeps the heaviest part of the ECV or wheelchair closest to the bus and is for safety.

The wheelchair or ECV will be securely fastened down with tiedown straps. Wheelchair riders may stay in the wheelchair, but should use the bus seatbelt.
ECV riders should get off the ECV and sit in a bus seat because ECVs are more likely to tip when occupied.




The seats are across the aisle from where the ECV is parked and facing the side of the bus (ECV or wheelchair will be facing forward).

The driver's will not make her move, but are supposed to strongly suggest it. She could possibly drive the ECV onto the bus, park it close enough to a seat to transfer over, then let one of your party park it. Be sure to let the driver know what she plans to do if he choose that since they will be pretty puzzled otherwise by what she is doing.
I would NOT count on a driver moving the ECV for you. Some may do it, but thy are not supposed to and could get in trouble for doing it.

If she stays on, she should insist on using the seat belt, if it is not offered.
If she has no mobility in her legs at all, she would not have the ability to catch herself with her feet if the ECV does start to tip. I would suggest having adult members of your party stand next to the ECV to prevent it from tipping.

A 4 wheeled ECV is less likely to tip than a 3 wheeled one, but most of the weight on an ECV is up high, so they are more 'tippy' than a wheelchair or power wheelchair. They also do not have as good of places to secure they tiedown straps, so not as secure.

Does she actually have an ECV (driven with a handlebar tiller type thing) or a power wheelchair (driven with a joystick)?
A power wheelchair is not a tipping issue and many are built with loops for attaching tiedown straps.

Also to be aware - all attractions (except Swiss Family Robinson Tree House and Tomorrowland Transit Authority) are wheelchair accessible to the point of boarding. Some lines are not ECV accessible and require the guest to either walk n line or transfer to an attraction wheelchair.
The attraction wheelchairs are very basic and have fixed armrests, which can make it difficult to lift someone in.
Some attractions have a wheelchair accessible ride car, but most of those are not ECV accessible and if she needs that car, she old need to transfer to a wheelchair at the attraction.

There is more information about ECVs on attractions and the type of transfer involved in posts 18-21 on page 2 of the disABILITIES FAQs thread. You cn find a link in my signature or that thread is near the top of his board.
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I just got back from 10 days with a scooter at aoa. I was worried too but dis ers encouragement helped me to decide to do it. Most bus drivers will park it on the bus for you and that is the only skilled task associated with it. You just drive it up a ramp onto the bus. We were always the first people at the bus stop so no one was bumped because of me. I rented from apple and they had a wonderful 3 wheeled scooter that was light and extremely easy to maneuver. I loved my experience. Only down side is that some bus drivers obviously didn't like to tie it down and a couple tried to "not notice" that I was waiting. I hate putting people out but the dis board helped me see that I am entitled to a good trip even with health issues. I told myself that I certainly would be nice to someone who needed an ecv if I drove a bus so rudeness is the driver's issue not mine. Go and have fun.
So glad to hear it went well! I remember how worried you were.
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Not videos, but some serial pictures:
Step one - the driver opens the back door and begins the lowering of the ramp.

The seats will be folded up to form a place for a wheelchair or ECV to park and the driver lowers the ramp.

The ramp is fully lowered and the guest (and up to 5 members of their party) are invited to board. Wait for the driver to let you know it is ready for you to board.

You may drive straight on the ramp or back on. Some people find backing in is easier because it requires less turning once you are on the bus.
There are still a few older buses with lifts. You do need to back onto the lift, but will drive forward onto the lift when getting off. This keeps the heaviest part of the ECV or wheelchair closest to the bus and is for safety.

The wheelchair or ECV will be securely fastened down with tiedown straps. Wheelchair riders may stay in the wheelchair, but should use the bus seatbelt.
ECV riders should get off the ECV and sit in a bus seat because ECVs are more likely to tip when occupied.

The seats are across the aisle from where the ECV is parked and facing the side of the bus (ECV or wheelchair will be facing forward).

The driver's will not make her move, but are supposed to strongly suggest it. She could possibly drive the ECV onto the bus, park it close enough to a seat to transfer over, then let one of your party park it. Be sure to let the driver know what she plans to do if he choose that since they will be pretty puzzled otherwise by what she is doing.
I would NOT count on a driver moving the ECV for you. Some may do it, but thy are not supposed to and could get in trouble for doing it.

If she stays on, she should insist on using the seat belt, if it is not offered.
If she has no mobility in her legs at all, she would not have the ability to catch herself with her feet if the ECV does start to tip. I would suggest having adult members of your party stand next to the ECV to prevent it from tipping.

A 4 wheeled ECV is less likely to tip than a 3 wheeled one, but most of the weight on an ECV is up high, so they are more 'tippy' than a wheelchair or power wheelchair. They also do not have as good of places to secure they tiedown straps, so not as secure.

Does she actually have an ECV (driven with a handlebar tiller type thing) or a power wheelchair (driven with a joystick)?
A power wheelchair is not a tipping issue and many are built with loops for attaching tiedown straps.

Also to be aware - all attractions (except Swiss Family Robinson Tree House and Tomorrowland Transit Authority) are wheelchair accessible to the point of boarding. Some lines are not ECV accessible and require the guest to either walk n line or transfer to an attraction wheelchair.
The attraction wheelchairs are very basic and have fixed armrests, which can make it difficult to lift someone in.
Some attractions have a wheelchair accessible ride car, but most of those are not ECV accessible and if she needs that car, she old need to transfer to a wheelchair at the attraction.

There is more information about ECVs on attractions and the type of transfer involved in posts 18-21 on page 2 of the disABILITIES FAQs thread. You cn find a link in my signature or that thread is near the top of his board.
Wow, such great information from everyone!! I admit i didn't actually know the difference between power wheelchair and ECV, thought they were the same thing, just different name. She has a power wheelchair, so she will be able to stay seated while we move. Just spent HOURS online and on phone with airlines, got her all booked and ready to go!! Much relief to me!!
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Wow, such great information from everyone!! I admit i didn't actually know the difference between power wheelchair and ECV, thought they were the same thing, just different name. She has a power wheelchair, so she will be able to stay seated while we move. Just spent HOURS online and on phone with airlines, got her all booked and ready to go!! Much relief to me!!
I thought she probably had a power wheelchair, based on you saying she could not move her lower limbs.

Next things check on is whether her power wheelchair already has tiedown loops installed. How does she transport her wheelchair?

Many power wheelchairs have tiedown loops built on already. Sometimes, they are a bright color like red, yellow or orange. The ones on my DD's power wheelchair are black (but still show up on her chair because the frame is fuschia ). If the chair does not already have tiedown loops, it would be good to contact her equipment supplier to find out what they recommend.
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