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Old 02-25-2013, 06:02 AM   #16
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Are the news stations covering it? I feel like every time we almost hit a fiscal cliff the news stations were all "countdown to gov't shutdown" but I personally haven't seen much media this time around. I'm outside of the US now so maybe that's why, but I just don't see anyone talking about it, when it seems to be much more likely to go through versus the previous "shutdowns."
It's ramping up a bit here but not so much on the news. This actually won't be a typical "shutdown" which is probably why it's not getting much press. The government offices will be open 5 days a week, there will just be less staff manning the office.

It won't really hit the news until the general population gets affected.
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:03 AM   #17
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Am also worried about VA services,
It's my understanding that VA services are exempt from any sequestration shenanigans.
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:12 AM   #18
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I feel your pain . Our DSIL1 w/DoD is looking at 4 day work week for 22wks also. Thankfully they have some savings for ER's, but my heart goes out to the many gov. employees, contractors, and businesses, that will be affected.
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Old 02-25-2013, 07:45 AM   #19
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Fed employee here - no RIFs or furloughs for us. Our CFO is brilliant and was able to make the cuts without affecting employees directly. Note that each agency has responsibility for finding the cuts. A lot of the threatened impacts are more politically motivated than anything. You get a lot more press and sympathy if you start cutting salaries and threatening jobs than if you start eliminating training and travel budgets.

I think it will be an interesting experiment. In reality, the cuts from sequestration are really only a drop in the bucket for what's needed. I think the vast majority of Americans on both sides of the aisle truly have no idea the reach and impact of the federal government. My hope is that it will be an eyeopener for everyone. My belief is that any lessons that should be learned will just get lost in more squabbling.
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Old 02-25-2013, 08:00 AM   #20
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DH is a DoD employee and facing furlough. We are also a single income family. The local economy is going to be hit very hard if this happens.

I thought this was interesting. It is a state by state sequestration impact released by the White House.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...-state-impact/
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Old 02-25-2013, 08:19 AM   #21
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Fed employee here - no RIFs or furloughs for us. Our CFO is brilliant and was able to make the cuts without affecting employees directly. Note that each agency has responsibility for finding the cuts. A lot of the threatened impacts are more politically motivated than anything. You get a lot more press and sympathy if you start cutting salaries and threatening jobs than if you start eliminating training and travel budgets.

I think it will be an interesting experiment. In reality, the cuts from sequestration are really only a drop in the bucket for what's needed. I think the vast majority of Americans on both sides of the aisle truly have no idea the reach and impact of the federal government. My hope is that it will be an eyeopener for everyone. My belief is that any lessons that should be learned will just get lost in more squabbling.

Finally somebody who gets it.

The people are complaining they will only be working 32 and getting the same hourly rate and full benefits. Try working 40 hours, taking a 20% cut in hourly rate and have your benefits cut.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:14 AM   #22
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of course it's political. That's why it's so very disgusting. The decisions are not being made based on need or project. But I wanted to not get political because I have had threads locked for that. My sil and dd will survive but it will be by not eating out ever, delaying hair cuts, driving cars longer, etc... Who is that going to hurt. Sometimes austerity measures are a bad decision in the long run. If you slash payroll for government workers as part of a political dispute and at least as many families end up laid off, collecting unemployment, which drops their income to the poverty level. qualifying them for other government services and some families can't make their mortgage payment and they need housing assistance have you really saved much money? Personally, I don't think we should provide aid to other countries (and I do believe we should) or fund foreign military situations if we can not provide for our own people. That is the first place I'd cut. It saddens me to think that any senior citizen is going to lose their food assistance over this.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:24 AM   #23
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I live in a city that is going to be hit hard by the cuts. My DH and I both work for the school system, and thankfully our jobs are both funded at the state level. Our Title I schools are going to lose some funding, though.

Unfortunately, we've already had our pay cut several times in the last few years. We also haven't received any raises, cost of living or otherwise. You quickly learn how to adjust and do without non-necessities.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:35 AM   #24
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It's my understanding that VA services are exempt from any sequestration shenanigans.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:40 AM   #25
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There is talk and rumblings at my dh work. They are talking about different divisions and depts. etc.

He might be furloughed with no salary but still not lose seniority or benefits supposedly or they say they trying to encourage people to retire etc. It depends on the situation etc.

Everyone is getting stressed over it for sure.
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:08 AM   #26
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My agency is facing up to 14 days of furlough per worker, but they have not calculated the actual number each individual component will have. I am hoping the 4 office vacancies we have had for almost a year now have "saved" us enough money so we face fewer days.
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:18 AM   #27
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I think it is wise for me to assume at this point that the pay cut is going to be permanent. There is just too much uncertainty. I don't know what others are thinking, haven't asked.
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I think it is wise for me to assume at this point that the pay cut is going to be permanent. There is just too much uncertainty. I don't know what others are thinking, haven't asked.
I agree. If they do it this year, and the next, and the next....
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My agency is facing up to 14 days of furlough per worker, but they have not calculated the actual number each individual component will have. I am hoping the 4 office vacancies we have had for almost a year now have "saved" us enough money so we face fewer days.
We are in the same boat. My company has known about the Sequestor and has been planning for possible cuts for almost a year. As employees have moved to other contracts or left for other opportunities we have not back filled their positions. So when the announcement comes down to cut hours we should be in a pretty good position in regards to cutting empty billets and not letting employees go or furloughing civilian employees.

The furlough, as I understand the verbiage, would affect DoD civilian employees only by reducing their regular work schedules by 20% for the 11 pay periods beginning 29APR13 through 27SEP13 or the end of FY13. The furlough days would take place on the opposite Friday and the Monday following the regularly scheduled CWS day and will have no effect on regularly scheduled telework days. There should be no effect to currently funded contracts

Sequestration will impact hundreds of thousands of DoD and other Federal Government employees and contractors. With almost 300,000 in the DC Metro area alone we are set to take a very big hit. The average salary of a DoD civilian is between $65,000 and $72,000. A 20% reduction in salaries in just the DC/MD/VA area would equate to $2,160,000,000.00 ($2.16Billion) in lost salaries over the next 6 months that could be used to pay mortgages, pay down credit card debt, buy gas or groceries or support local business. The loss of 20% income for that many federal employees will be devastating to the local economy. The real impact will be absorbed by small businesses as consumers will have to cut back on luxuries such as going out to dinner, making home improvements, new furniture or supporting local farmers markets. Many employers in the area have already cut hours of par time employees to 29 hours per week in order to stay below the 30 hours per week mandated by the Affordable Care Act. If the private sector followed suit as a result of trickle down economics the Sequestor could lead to hours being reduced in the private sector or eliminated altogether and even less tax revenues for the state and federal governments....
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We are in the same boat. My company has known about the Sequestor and has been planning for possible cuts for almost a year. As employees have moved to other contracts or left for other opportunities we have not back filled their positions. So when the announcement comes down to cut hours we should be in a pretty good position in regards to cutting empty billets and not letting employees go or furloughing civilian employees.

The furlough, as I understand the verbiage, would affect DoD civilian employees only by reducing their regular work schedules by 20% for the 11 pay periods beginning 29APR13 through 27SEP13 or the end of FY13. The furlough days would take place on the opposite Friday and the Monday following the regularly scheduled CWS day and will have no effect on regularly scheduled telework days. There should be no effect to currently funded contracts

Sequestration will impact hundreds of thousands of DoD and other Federal Government employees and contractors. With almost 300,000 in the DC Metro area alone we are set to take a very big hit. The average salary of a DoD civilian is between $65,000 and $72,000. A 20% reduction in salaries in just the DC/MD/VA area would equate to $2,160,000,000.00 ($2.16Billion) in lost salaries over the next 6 months that could be used to pay mortgages, pay down credit card debt, buy gas or groceries or support local business. The loss of 20% income for that many federal employees will be devastating to the local economy. The real impact will be absorbed by small businesses as consumers will have to cut back on luxuries such as going out to dinner, making home improvements, new furniture or supporting local farmers markets. Many employers in the area have already cut hours of par time employees to 29 hours per week in order to stay below the 30 hours per week mandated by the Affordable Care Act. If the private sector followed suit as a result of trickle down economics the Sequestor could lead to hours being reduced in the private sector or eliminated altogether and even less tax revenues for the state and federal governments....
Yes this is the point I am making. Often what looks like savings is not. Sil is civilian dod. I am under the impression that it does not matter what other savings a dept can implement. The furloughs are mandated. His dept is attempting to get approved for only two days a month.
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