Teachers trick students with fake Disney trip

[sam_gordon]

Originally Posted by Tiger926

Not necessarily. Teacher could have concocted idea a few days before due to snooping. Prob took a few days to put together, and then it was presented to the classes.

Or, the snooping was a lie as a way for teachers to justify their actions.





As I stated, the article in the first post is incorrect and embellished based on the actual firsthand accounts in the local media. Local media actually interviewed parents, students and other school people. Kids were definitely told Disney, and last slide of presentation was a big gotcha: not only are they not going to Disney, but instead, they are going to a local bowling alley. That had been pretty clear all along, if you are reading local media reports from that city.

Regardless, I fail to see how your obsession with proving me wrong is helpful to the students?

Teachers messed up in a huge way, so who cares if kids first heard on Thurs or Friday?

The actions of those teachers and reactions of kids are most important here.

Tiger

To me, how the students found out (& when) about the trip factors into my decision on this. As I said from the beginning... if student snooped on a desk, saw something they (thought) weren't supposed to see, and assumed they were going to Disney, told all their friends, and teachers held the assembly, implied they were going, then pulled the rug out, I don't see a problem. I can see this logically happening.

In my mind at least, that's totally different from what you're saying happened. Apparently teachers told kids on Thursday they were going to Disney, kids told their parents Thursday night, then on Friday was the assembly, statements about going to Disney, then pulled the rug out. I agree that's wrong, and makes absolutely no sense.

If I remember correctly, the original article also had a quote from a parent that talks about the assembly, but says nothing about kids finding out before the assembly. So apparently the parents also have contradictory information from their kids.

[wdwmom3]

I'm not bothering to read this entire thread. I posted about this on the Canadian board. I live in the province where this happened. For most of this year we have been dealing with labour disputes between the government and the teachers. Our kids have had almost all school activities (sports , clubs, extra help) cancelled. Some school boards have cancelled field trips. We have also had schools closed for one day strikes by teachers. The kids have felt the worst of this. So hearing about kids being tricked by teachers just turns my stomach. They did not just do this to the kids who snooped. There were innocent kids who got treated like this as well.

I'm sorry but nothing a teacher could say would justify that kind of behavior. An important thing to remember is that I'm sure many of these kids have never been to Disney. Fooling them like that is just cruel and I would not want my kids being taught by someone like that.

[kaytieeldr]

Originally Posted by Tiger926

As I stated, the article in the first post is incorrect and embellished based on the actual firsthand accounts in the local media. Local media actually interviewed parents, students and other school people. Kids were definitely told Disney, and last slide of presentation was a big gotcha: not only are they not going to Disney, but instead, they are going to a local bowling alley. That had been pretty clear all along, if you are reading local media reports from that city.

Regardless, I fail to see how your obsession with proving me wrong is helpful to the students?

Teachers messed up in a huge way, so who cares if kids first heard on Thurs or Friday?

I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong; I'm trying very hard to understand the true timeline and what really happened, and when.

If students were told about the 'trip' Thursday by teachers, why didn't any students tell their parents about the trip Thursday night? Regarding comments from 'school people', those/that don't appear to be anyone directly involved with the specific school. Commenting on the incident based on what you've heard from parents and the media isn't first-hand knowledge.

I keep addressing you because you seem to have close knowledge of the situation. I truly have taken your suggestion to search the Windsor Star, but if you could post a link to the exact article/s that say the teachers announced the 'trip' Thursday and let the students have their hopes up overnight (instead of just thirty minutes) that'd be appreciated. I can't find it.

[North of Mouse]

Originally Posted by wdwmom3

I'm not bothering to read this entire thread. I posted about this on the Canadian board. I live in the province where this happened. For most of this year we have been dealing with labour disputes between the government and the teachers. Our kids have had almost all school activities (sports , clubs, extra help) cancelled. Some school boards have cancelled field trips. We have also had schools closed for one day strikes by teachers. The kids have felt the worst of this. So hearing about kids being tricked by teachers just turns my stomach. They did not just do this to the kids who snooped. There were innocent kids who got treated like this as well.

I'm sorry but nothing a teacher could say would justify that kind of behavior. An important thing to remember is that I'm sure many of these kids have never been to Disney. Fooling them like that is just cruel and I would not want my kids being taught by someone like that.

I'm with you. I don't care anything about the time line in the long run, but there's plenty evidence that it happened, period!

It was a very rotten thing to do to the children, which the majority of them were innocent. There were some very *hurt* kids, and the teachers (authority figures) had no business stooping to such low down actions. I would not want my child to continue in their classrooms, and I certainly wouldn't want any of my younger children to be put in their classrooms.

To add insult to injury, the children feel like the laughing stock of the school/area because they were so excited (yes, and trusting) and then their reactions to the hoax videoed, then shown to other classes. A few of the students told on video how they felt.

These teachers should not be teachers IMO. They have such little regard for their *charges* feelings. I have NO respect for them, and I would hope that everyone there that knows their names lets them know exactly how they feel.
It's especially cruel after learning about *field trips, sports,etc* being cancelled.

[Aliceacc]

Here are parents validating the timeline:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU603PnCwS4

And to be honest, I can't see that it matters.

Stooping to this level-- as a means of classroom management, no less!-- is incredibly unprofessional. I would not want my kids taught by the adults capable of being so mean to the kids in their care.

[Tiger926]

Originally Posted by kaytieeldr

I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong; I'm trying very hard to understand the true timeline and what really happened, and when.

If students were told about the 'trip' Thursday by teachers, why didn't any students tell their parents about the trip Thursday night? Regarding comments from 'school people', those/that don't appear to be anyone directly involved with the specific school. Commenting on the incident based on what you've heard from parents and the media isn't first-hand knowledge.

I keep addressing you because you seem to have close knowledge of the situation. I truly have taken your suggestion to search the Windsor Star, but if you could post a link to the exact article/s that say the teachers announced the 'trip' Thursday and let the students have their hopes up overnight (instead of just thirty minutes) that'd be appreciated. I can't find it.

I am sorry, as I should have linked to The Windsor Star page in my first post:

http://blogs.windsorstar.com/tag/disney-prank/

This page is the most comprehensive info on this topic, as it includes a collection of various articles, links, chats, polls, etc.

I hope this info is helpful to you, Tiger

[Ceila]

Two wrongs don't make a right. The teachers should not have lied to try to teach a lesson. The fact that their lesson involved students who weren't even suspected of snooping? Completely unprofessional. I hope I never have teaching colleagues like them.

[sam_gordon]

From one of the articles on the link Tiger posted, it's still unclear whether there was an announcement Thursday or whether students saw the brochures on Thursday.

I did find this quote interesting posted below that article though...

My daughter is in that class and yes she was upset for a few minutes after school but it didn't ruin her weekend or anything. she got over it and we all had a laugh about it, including her. Yes it was a joke that pushed the limit, I do admit that, but it was a joke and that's all it was. The bowling trip is not their grad trip, it's just a field trip. They are going to Niagara Falls at the end of the year. I really think this has been blown way out of proportion!

So apparently not every kid was traumatized by this.

Anyway, it's done and over.

[Tiger926]

Originally Posted by sam_gordon

From one of the articles on the link Tiger posted, it's still unclear whether there was an announcement Thursday or whether students saw the brochures on Thursday.

I did find this quote interesting posted below that article though...


So apparently not every kid was traumatized by this.

Anyway, it's done and over.

No, it's not unclear at all: http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/02...liation-tears/

Article clearly says that teachers led students to believe on Thursday that they were going to Disney, only to reveal the next day, Friday, through their elaborate presentation, that the Disney trip was a hoax.

No one said every kid was traumatized, but as a teacher, I believe that just one student being traumatized, is enough.

Tiger

[North of Mouse]

Originally Posted by sam_gordon

From one of the articles on the link Tiger posted, it's still unclear whether there was an announcement Thursday or whether students saw the brochures on Thursday.

I did find this quote interesting posted below that article though...


So apparently not every kid was traumatized by this.

Anyway, it's done and over.

Easy for you to say, *done and over*, but it's not by a long shot! I also read the various articles from the Windsor Star, and you purposely picked the *one* paragraph, from the *one* parent that supported your way of thinking.

There are *many* upset parents, children and educators there. When asked about the air fares, one teacher said, oh, there are some cheap fares. I could have been one of those children at that age, with *no* chance of going to Disney, and yes, they wanted to believe that this was actually going to be their 8th grade trip.

For the ones on here laughing, I really feel sorry for your attitudes. I just told my dh, and he was dumb founded. He said, "this is one of the most cruel things I've heard from a supposedly person in authority over children."
Guess you have no empathy for other's children, just wonder if you would have even taken up for your own.

[kaytieeldr]

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[kaytieeldr]

Originally Posted by Aliceacc

Here are parents validating the timeline:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU603PnCwS4

And to be honest, I can't see that it matters.

Stooping to this level-- as a means of classroom management, no less!-- is incredibly unprofessional. I would not want my kids taught by the adults capable of being so mean to the kids in their care.

Originally Posted by Tiger926

I am sorry, as I should have linked to The Windsor Star page in my first post:

http://blogs.windsorstar.com/tag/disney-prank/

This page is the most comprehensive info on this topic, as it includes a collection of various articles, links, chats, polls, etc.

I hope this info is helpful to you, Tiger

Okay, well, it's getting clear as mud. The reporter in the YouTube video claims the students were told about the 'trip' Friday, and had all weekend to be excited about it only to come back to school Tuesday to learn it was a hoax.

The Windsor Star article (not the blogs, but I was able to get bag to the investigative reporting education page from the above link http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/02...liation-tears/) says the students were told (article says by teachers, DIS says by snooping classmates) Thursday but attended the assembly Friday and were told at that presentation they were going bowling instead.

Mrs. Stewart, the mother of the twins whom she found asleep at 5 PM Friday, who's quoted in several sources, mentions nothing about having heard anything about this 'trip' before that. Wouldn't it make sense that if the teacher announced it Thursday, some time between that announcement and mom/kids leaving the house Friday morning, one of them would have said something about it to her?

Getting your hopes up over something for, apparently, 30 minutes isn't the tragedy some people are making it out to be.

[North of Mouse]

Originally Posted by kaytieeldr

Okay, well, it's getting clear as mud. The reporter in the YouTube video claims the students were told about the 'trip' Friday, and had all weekend to be excited about it only to come back to school Tuesday to learn it was a hoax.

The Windsor Star article (not the blogs, but I was able to get bag to the investigative reporting education page from the above link http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/02...liation-tears/) says the students were told (article says by teachers, DIS says by snooping classmates) Thursday but attended the assembly Friday and were told at that presentation they were going bowling instead.

Mrs. Stewart, the mother of the twins whom she found asleep at 5 PM Friday, who's quoted in several sources, mentions nothing about having heard anything about this 'trip' before that. Wouldn't it make sense that if the teacher announced it Thursday, some time between that announcement and mom/kids leaving the house Friday morning, one of them would have said something about it to her?

Getting your hopes up over something for, apparently, 30 minutes isn't the tragedy some people are making it out to be.

[kaytieeldr]

Roll your eyes all you want. I'm still trying to be fair, to determine who did what, when.

If the teachers announced the 'trip' Thursday, let the students build their hopes overnight, held an assembly Friday with a presentation making it seem the graduation trip was to WDW, well, that makes no sense. That's the cruel hoax for no reason that many people are claiming*,

If the 'trip' was revealed to students Thursday by snooping classmates just doesn't seem to be the travesty so many are claiming.

*not as cruel as what happened to that football player last fall; not as potentially dangerous as the reported armored and armed person on the MIT campus this morning - both of which I mention only because they were just on my local news

[kathyk2]

I'm curious what would be the reaction of this board be if the students decided to pull a similar prank on a teacher? My guess is that everyone would want the students to be harshly punished. I think the teachers will have to work to regain the respect and trust of their students.