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Old 02-23-2013, 11:45 AM   #661
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That is the premeditation. Her story 1.0 was that she was no where near Mesa on June 4. She also turned off her cell phone so it would not ping, has no cc receipts during this time, and no one, including Travis knew she was heading there. She drove 1000 miles for no reason, toward her abusive pedophile not-boyfriend after her grandparents gun was stolen.

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Going back to the text messages they showed of Travis calling Jodi pure evil, do you think that after he made that comment about her sounding like a 12 year old girl, when they got into a fight later she called him a pedophile b/c of that comment and maybe said I've got it recorded too? Then later she just makes up all this other pedophile stuff to go along with the one comment?
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:06 PM   #663
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I think she introduced him to that stuff. Just like the tubed stuff. Most times when people say it is the other persons thing they are into, they are actually talking about themselves.
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Going back to the text messages they showed of Travis calling Jodi pure evil, do you think that after he made that comment about her sounding like a 12 year old girl, when they got into a fight later she called him a pedophile b/c of that comment and maybe said I've got it recorded too? Then later she just makes up all this other pedophile stuff to go along with the one comment?
I think the recording of Travis saying Jodi sounded like a 12 year old *etc, etc, and that it's hot makes it sound like Travis might have had pedophiliac tendencies. I just don't know any men who would think that of 12 year old girls.

* Still keeping in mind this is a family board so it's hard to delicately post what Travis said on the taped conversation.
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Regarding the text messages around May 28th-ish between Travis and Jodi....he called her a sociopath, saying people don't know all the psycho things she's done and that she needs to fess up or something along those lines.....does anyone know what that was about? Did she say what they were arguing about? and since she's a liar.....what does everyone think it was really about?

IMO those texts and that argument sealed his fate in her mind, no one was going to talk to her like that, threaten her, etc. That is when she decided to kill him and that is when she stole the gun and set the plan in motion.

RE: Ryan Burns, he was not as well off as Travis, if I recall correctly, he was living with his parents when jodi visited him. I don't think she really liked him at all, he was her alibi, nothing more.
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OK, I'm sitting here watching some recorded HLN shows from Thurs and Friday, and now every time they replay Juan Martinez cross examining JA about the "pop rocks and tootsie pops", I hear him in my head saying it like Greg Brady saying "pork chops and applesauce".
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I think the recording of Travis saying Jodi sounded like a 12 year old *etc, etc, and that it's hot makes it sound like Travis might have had pedophiliac tendencies. I just don't know any men who would think that of 12 year old girls.

* Still keeping in mind this is a family board so it's hard to delicately post what Travis said on the taped conversation.
There's a pretty big jump between what he said on that call (which was creepy I will admit) and what she said she walked in on him doing. I don't know if saying that would make him have a tendency to be attracted to 5 year old boys.

Different topic. Jodi said that she pointed the gun at him with both hands. He came at her like a linebacker and grabbed her around the waist. Wouldn't he try to grab the gun out of her hands, not grab her waist? You wouldn't leave her arms free to be able to shoot you.

It's also interesting that after being shot in the head, he's not worried about a bullet through his brain. He's not worried and yelling "Oh My God, call the cops or ambulance, you accidentally shot me in the head!!" He still is only interested about attacking her for accidentally dropping his camera. His wrath knew no bounds.

I just pray that the jurors this time around all have a hint of common sense.
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There's a pretty big jump between what he said on that call (which was creepy I will admit) and what she said she walked in on him doing. I don't know if saying that would make him have a tendency to be attracted to 5 year old boys.
Yeah, I don't think she had to drive his pedophilia home with the idea (true or not) that he had photos of boys (don't recall the ages). The taped conversation was enough. The only way a juror might tie the photos of boys (if the juror believes Jodi) to Travis is his preference for the initial sex acts between him and Jodi although I'd be inclined to think he was just avoiding pregnancy or playing up what I'm told young people believe is sex and what they don't believe is sex these days which isn't just Mormon restricted.
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What just boggles my mind is the crime scene photos esp the one of Travis all stuffed into the shower. How the heck did she get him all stuffed in there? I think she had her adrenaline working so over time that adrenaline and rage got him pulled down the hall into the bathroom and stuffed into that shower stall.

All the while she is screaming to herself that "you and Mimi will not be going to Cancun if I have anything to do with it" type of anger and rage.

Also the crime scene photos, those types of camera's make a definite CLICK sound when you take pictures … I wonder why Miss Photographer did not hear the camera clicking away like that … ? SCORE for TRAVIS!!!!
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What just boggles my mind is the crime scene photos esp the one of Travis all stuffed into the shower. How the heck did she get him all stuffed in there? I think she had her adrenaline working so over time that adrenaline and rage got him pulled down the hall into the bathroom and stuffed into that shower stall.

All the while she is screaming to herself that "you and Mimi will not be going to Cancun if I have anything to do with it" type of anger and rage.

Also the crime scene photos, those types of camera's make a definite CLICK sound when you take pictures … I wonder why Miss Photographer did not hear the camera clicking away like that … ? SCORE for TRAVIS!!!!
Ya know what gets me about the shower photos that Jodi took of Travis for their "Calvin Klein" look alikes? Those are lousy photos, not professional looking in the slightest. Lousy lighting, lousy poses, lousy photos. Doesn't make sense at all according to her story and previous pictures.
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Ya know what gets me about the shower photos that Jodi took of Travis for their "Calvin Klein" look alikes? Those are lousy photos, not professional looking in the slightest. Lousy lighting, lousy poses, lousy photos. Doesn't make sense at all according to her story and previous pictures.
Makes no sense, UR! You are right. And she was suppose to be so 'talented' with the camera.
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I think the recording of Travis saying Jodi sounded like a 12 year old *etc, etc, and that it's hot makes it sound like Travis might have had pedophiliac tendencies. I just don't know any men who would think that of 12 year old girls.

* Still keeping in mind this is a family board so it's hard to delicately post what Travis said on the taped conversation.
But how do you know what any man is "thinking"? Of all the men I've known or come in contact with over my 54 years, I have no idea what they're thinking about sexuality.

I haven't heard the whole tape again...he said that he loved the braids, and IIRC, SHE says they're hot. As far as her sounding like a 12 yr old girl having her first orgasm, well, she always sounds like a 12 yr old girl to me. But on that tape, she's very much initiating sex talk and sex topics, and *I* get the impression many of the fantasies, including the "little girl" fantasies, are HER thing, and no doubt about it, he got caught up in it. Do you think they equally have pedophile tendencies? I don't think that one snapshot of what Travis said, at her initiation and her secretly recording, in anyway indicates any pedophile tendencies.

A fantasy is a fantasy, not real life. Just as a rape fantasy isn't about truly wanting to be raped, ie non-consensual sex, the 12 yr old girl thing isn't about wanting to have sex with a 12 yr old girl, but about the innocence of a virgin which honestly, is a "thing" with some men, no? Is it a terrible thing to find a virgin appealing? Does a threesome fantasy indicate a true desire to take part in a threesome?

I don't think ALL fantasies are harmless...surely there are times when it's an indication of actual activities or what's to come. Ever watch the documentary about Jeffrey Dahmer and the interview with him, and how things progressed? Very creepy. But I don't think there's any indication that Travis fits into the category of having fantasies indicative of a true desire.

Whoopie Goldberg has said on The View on more than one occasion that Brazilians (the grooming) is offensive because it's all about looking like a little girl. So what are shaved armpits and legs about? Maybe a Brazilian is just about bathing suits and cleanliness or as appealing as having the lights on, if you get what I mean.
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Makes no sense, UR! You are right. And she was suppose to be so 'talented' with the camera.
She'll make an excuse that it wasn't her camera.
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What just boggles my mind is the crime scene photos esp the one of Travis all stuffed into the shower. How the heck did she get him all stuffed in there? I think she had her adrenaline working so over time that adrenaline and rage got him pulled down the hall into the bathroom and stuffed into that shower stall.
That is the thing that boggles my mind. She is petite, and he seemed on the tallish side. Her adrenaline must have been over the top.
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Also the crime scene photos, those types of camera's make a definite CLICK sound when you take pictures … I wonder why Miss Photographer did not hear the camera clicking away like that … ? SCORE for TRAVIS!!!!
I would love to know how fast her heart was beating when the detective first showed her the picture of her foot and leg and her dragging his body. At first she was denying pictures of herself. She was asking, "Are you sure it was me??" Then later, "The pictures are compelling evidence." Uhh yeah. A picture of you dragging his bloody body are pretty compelling evidence. It actually doesn't get much more compelling than a time stamped photo of you in the process or dragging a bleeding body. Especially when you were denying you were there. Puts a few holes in your story, sorry, stories.

I will never understand how that she is a photographer, yet thought just deleting pictures and then washing the camera would be good enough. How do you not just take the freaking sd card with you? Does she know how a camera works?

Was the last picture that she took on purpose where he's staring into the camera and looks like he's being held at gunpoint a keeper or one that got deleted? And a picture of just his back? Yeah, she's not good. They look like some Abu Ghraib pictures.
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