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Old 02-22-2013, 12:09 PM   #61
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The kids in the adult areas on the Dream/Fantasy is as much the fault of the ship designers as anything, IMO.

Yes, it's up to the parents to enforce it (and seriously - why do some parents think vacation = vacation from parenting?? Ugh). I also believe many instances could have been avoided by not having elevators dump right into the middle of it. But, that's JMO.

I will say that when we were on the Fantasy last summer, I was the mom making the little ones (7 at the time) hold my hand and the 10 yo walk in front of me, quietly (but loud enough for someone to hear - yes, grumpy old man, I'm talking to YOU) "Quickly guys. Keep moving, this is for the grown ups". With forward rooms - we used the forward stairs - and we had to move through the area to get to them.

It seems that the "abuse", if you will, of the adult areas was more prevalent on the shorter 3-nt than it was on the 7-nt.
People are way too sensitive if they have a problem with children walking through the adult area to get from one point to another. As long as its clear that they are just trying to get from point A to point B, this really isn't infringing on anyone's "adult" time.

We were on the Wonder as first time cruisers and I know I did the same thing. Pass quickly through the adult area because I had a forward room. I can't imagine anyone having a problem because there wasn't anyone in these areas as I moved my child quickly though. Would never break the rules in any other way though. Stayed out of the pool because of the 18 month old and actually never stayed in the adult area, period.
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:57 PM   #62
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Oh puh-leez!

I will not make my children feel like lepers (or allow others to do so) just because some people might have a hair up their butts!

IF we ever have to walk through an adult only area to get somewhere, we will do just that. Walk through. I will not say anything to them about rushing or "Oooooh this is the 'adult' area so be extra quiet, blah, blah", or any other such nonsense.

I am not going to apologize for having children or for having to walk through a poorly designed ship. My children are respectful and obedient and I am proud to be their Mom. Even if it was a family area they wouldn't be causing a rauckus as they walk anywhere because they have been raised to be polite.

And IF anybody had a problem with us walking (or even them by themselves!) through an area to get someplace, I would have to open my can of Latina New Yorker whoop -- on them! Sheesh!
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:01 PM   #63
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Oh and we don't save seats unless someone needs to pee real quick. (And God help the crank who gives me a hard time over it!)

Just like at WDW, we keep our party together, we all make the line and we all sit. Duh.

They should really have CM loading the theaters like they do here at American Idol or Beauty and the Beast. Walk all the way down, walk all the way across the row leaving no empty spaces, keep your party together, sit down leaving no empty seats. Quick and efficient!

What a waste of energy.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:09 PM   #64
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On the Dream in August, 2011, we went to the "Villians Tonight!" show.

We saw a row of about 6 - 7 empty seats. A grandpa-type in a black tank top was at the end of the row. There was a visor thing on the seat next to him. We are a family of 4, so we headed there.

I was in the lead, so I went in the row and sat a seat away from him.

He gets up, says that the seats are "saved".

I tell him that there is no saving seats.

I start to sit down.

He come over and starts SHOVING ME OUT OF THE SEAT.

I would have kept my 5 foot, 110 pound me there, but DH was livid! He says, "Dont you TOUCH her!" and pulls me away from tank-top guy, and immediately tells a CM what happened.

CM's go to tank-top guy and they have a heated discussion. He still doesn't move, but we go to a different section of the theater and watch the show.

CM's get our names and cabin number.

The next day, a very nice gift basket arrives at our stateroom with a note from the Assistant Cruise Director apologizing for the incident at the theater.
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You all are making me scared to cruise ... LOL. Are people really that rude? Shoving, elbowing - it's just a seat in the theater, right?
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You all are making me scared to cruise ... LOL. Are people really that rude? Shoving, elbowing - it's just a seat in the theater, right?
Same here, lol. I cannot believe how rude some people are, YIKES!!!! I hope I don't have any encounters like these!

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Old 02-22-2013, 03:42 PM   #67
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I often like to nap in the adults only area- especially if I'm fighting off some sea sickness. Every single time I have napped there's a family that comes through with a young child screaming, running loudly, etc. I notice the older kids that walk through and usually they are quiet. In fact more often the adults will walk thru talking loudly.
As for chair hogs...every single cruise! In the theater, pool, dining. I usually don't care but I have been known to move a single sandal/shoe off one or two chairs, or ask the pool CM if "ALL those loungers w/o people are really taken". At which point the CM will usually gather up those items off the loungers making them available.
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:06 PM   #68
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I often like to nap in the adults only area- especially if I'm fighting off some sea sickness. Every single time I have napped there's a family that comes through with a young child screaming, running loudly, etc. I notice the older kids that walk through and usually they are quiet. In fact more often the adults will walk thru talking loudly.
Am guessing you sail the classic ships mostly. On the new ships, there is a great area up on Deck 13 Forward that there is no reason for families to walk through to get to the forward elevators (like on Deck 11 and 12). It is really nice especially on the Fantasy because that is were Satellite Falls is... We love that area and would be a great place to catch a nap.
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He come over and starts SHOVING ME OUT OF THE SEAT.

I would have kept my 5 foot, 110 pound me there, but DH was livid! He says, "Dont you TOUCH her!" and pulls me away from tank-top guy, and immediately tells a CM what happened.

CM's go to tank-top guy and they have a heated discussion. He still doesn't move, but we go to a different section of the theater and watch the show.
I would have been raising 9 kinds of hell in that situation. If he put his hands on you, he committed a crime. He should not have been allowed to get away with it. I'm not saying throw him in the brig but he should have been ejected from the show, at the least.
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Oh puh-leez!

I will not make my children feel like lepers (or allow others to do so) just because some people might have a hair up their butts!

IF we ever have to walk through an adult only area to get somewhere, we will do just that. Walk through. I will not say anything to them about rushing or "Oooooh this is the 'adult' area so be extra quiet, blah, blah", or any other such nonsense.

I am not going to apologize for having children or for having to walk through a poorly designed ship. My children are respectful and obedient and I am proud to be their Mom. Even if it was a family area they wouldn't be causing a rauckus as they walk anywhere because they have been raised to be polite.

And IF anybody had a problem with us walking (or even them by themselves!) through an area to get someplace, I would have to open my can of Latina New Yorker whoop -- on them! Sheesh!

Well, OK.

I don't think that kids staying out of adult areas is making them feel like a leper. Unless having adults stay out of the kid areas makes THEM lepers as well. I don't feel that way, though.

There are little kid places, bigger kid places, everyone places, and adult places. I don't have a problem keeping those places reserved for the right people. Just gives DS something to look forward to in 10 years.

And, actually, I spoke with two young-20-something CMs at WDW after the cruise who were really very concerned that there were, indeed, adult ONLY sections. Since they are young and childfree at this point, they did NOT want to be around kids, and I can totally understand that. It's important to allow the adult-only spaces to remain adult-only. And it shouldn't cause polite children to feel like lepers.
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Well, OK.

I don't think that kids staying out of adult areas is making them feel like a leper. Unless having adults stay out of the kid areas makes THEM lepers as well. I don't feel that way, though.

There are little kid places, bigger kid places, everyone places, and adult places. I don't have a problem keeping those places reserved for the right people. Just gives DS something to look forward to in 10 years.

And, actually, I spoke with two young-20-something CMs at WDW after the cruise who were really very concerned that there were, indeed, adult ONLY sections. Since they are young and childfree at this point, they did NOT want to be around kids, and I can totally understand that. It's important to allow the adult-only spaces to remain adult-only. And it shouldn't cause polite children to feel like lepers.

Well said.
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You all are making me scared to cruise ... LOL. Are people really that rude? Shoving, elbowing - it's just a seat in the theater, right?
Unfortunately the self-entitled people will push the envelope and cause a scene. On our first cruise there was an actual fight in the theater right before the show started. We saw people being escorted out a few rows back. The next day we found out that the family we sat at dinner with were involved. They only found three seats together so the mom sat there with the kids. The dad sat down in an empty seat on the aisle. A "woman" a few seats in then told him to move. It was a couple minutes before the show started and there weren't many seats left at that point. She told him it was saved for someone who was on their way. He said sorry, but there isn't seat saving allowed and he was going to sit there. She jumped up and started shouting [slurring her words] that he had said or done something to her. A guy walked over to him from across the aisle and said something to him. He finally told the guy to go outside and they would discuss it with a CM because he didn't think what was happening was appropriate in front of any kids and it was upsetting his, who could see and hear what was going on. When he got up the guy took a swing at him and suddenly several guys were standing around him. He said it was like a cartoon where people are throwing punches and the guy crawls out of the middle of the fight and walks away. CMs cleared it up and took the guy who started it away. He was giving the option to press charges. They were then escorted up to seats in the front by the CM. After the show they were told to wait in their seats. The characters came out and spent time with the kids. The CMs wanted the kids to know that their dad hadn't done anything wrong.
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Unfortunately the self-entitled people will push the envelope and cause a scene. On our first cruise there was an actual fight in the theater right before the show started. We saw people being escorted out a few rows back. The next day we found out that the family we sat at dinner with were involved. They only found three seats together so the mom sat there with the kids. The dad sat down in an empty seat on the aisle. A "woman" a few seats in then told him to move. It was a couple minutes before the show started and there weren't many seats left at that point. She told him it was saved for someone who was on their way. He said sorry, but there isn't seat saving allowed and he was going to sit there. She jumped up and started shouting [slurring her words] that he had said or done something to her. A guy walked over to him from across the aisle and said something to him. He finally told the guy to go outside and they would discuss it with a CM because he didn't think what was happening was appropriate in front of any kids and it was upsetting his, who could see and hear what was going on. When he got up the guy took a swing at him and suddenly several guys were standing around him. He said it was like a cartoon where people are throwing punches and the guy crawls out of the middle of the fight and walks away. CMs cleared it up and took the guy who started it away. He was giving the option to press charges. They were then escorted up to seats in the front by the CM. After the show they were told to wait in their seats. The characters came out and spent time with the kids. The CMs wanted the kids to know that their dad hadn't done anything wrong.
OMG, that is terrible!
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:57 PM   #74
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semi-seat saving etiquette

I completely understand that sometimes people save seats for whatever reason (slow families, someone went to pee, etc...) . maybe I'm a jerk about it but if there is a seat empty I'm taking it. If they say they are saving it for blah blah (insert excuse here) I'll simply say. There's no seat saving like it says in the navigators. But if they come in the next three minutes I'll give it up to them. I look at my watch and if they do come in the time. I'll give it up and even smile and apologize. But if they are one second over. bzzzt. game over. I figure karma, the great pumpkin or whatever you believe in works both ways.

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I get the no seat saving, but how do you know that the empty seat wasn't honestly occupied and the person went to the restroom and then to the bar for a drink. That obviously takes longer than 3 minutes.

I would rather parents sit 30 minutes holding seat and have their kids come in last minute than have cranky kids trying to sit still till the show starts.

I personally don't see the big cal in seat saving. More power to the people who go early to get the best seats for their family.

We sit in the back We like to stroll in leisurely.
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