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Old 02-21-2013, 09:48 AM   #76
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I am known in my neighborhood as being over protective of my children. I put myself in the op's place and I would have done the same thing. At 11 and 10 the older girls should have been fine waiting outside the restroom with the luggage and 4 year old. I mean the mom was on yelling distance if anything happened.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:52 AM   #77
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If the children were so close to the restroom, why wouldn't one of the older girls just tell the agent that their mom was in the restroom or open the door and call to you saying there was a problem.

It bothers me that your oldest would speak and give out info to anyone just because they were wearing a uniform. It's perfectly acceptable for a child to say that her mom is in the restroom right there and that she is not allowed to give out information to strangers.

I agree that you had your hands full with 4 children and luggage. Perhaps your husband should have taken the two youngest with him since he was leaving all the luggage with you. Of course, if all 6 of you went to drop off the rental car, it is possible to use a luggage cart to move things around and you would have had your husband with you to help watch the children.
That is what I was wondering. If the kids were right outside the restroom, wouldn't it make sense that the oldest would step over and open the door and yell in "Hey Mom, there is a lady here who needs to talk to you." Mom could yell back - "Be right out."

If the girl is old enough to watch her siblings, she should have the common sense to call Mom if somebody needs her. Because you know the first question from the gate agent was "Where are your parents?" They didn't start with asking for the flight information.

And what 11 year old knows the flight information? My kids, even as teens, know where we are going, but probably not the exact time nor any kind of flight info.

I think there is a lot of the story that is missing.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:55 AM   #78
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Not sure what bothers me more about this thread, that one poster thinks that a call to CPS would be an appropriate course of action, or that another poster thinks a 14 year old is to young to be left unattended. Good grief.
I think for me, its the fact that someone in this thread used the word "poopy".
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:05 AM   #79
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If the children were so close to the restroom, why wouldn't one of the older girls just tell the agent that their mom was in the restroom or open the door and call to you saying there was a problem.

It bothers me that your oldest would speak and give out info to anyone just because they were wearing a uniform. It's perfectly acceptable for a child to say that her mom is in the restroom right there and that she is not allowed to give out information to strangers.

I agree that you had your hands full with 4 children and luggage. Perhaps your husband should have taken the two youngest with him since he was leaving all the luggage with you. Of course, if all 6 of you went to drop off the rental car, it is possible to use a luggage cart to move things around and you would have had your husband with you to help watch the children.
The OP stated that her dd told the agents that her mom was in the bathroom. I can't imagine a child NOT giving someone of authority the information they asked (maybe just handed over the boarding pass?).

As someone who has always been dropped off with 5 kids, and 7 pieces of carry-on luggage, several times, and has made it through security with them all every time, without incident, hindsight is 20/20. I'm sure the OP wasn't predicting the accident - if it didn't happen, separating would've been easier than schlepping from the car rental spot to the airport with a bunch of kids and luggage.
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:08 AM   #80
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Eh, even the tears make sense to me.

I would have been stressed under the circumstances. I find airports and travel stressful anyway. Add four kids and a pile of luggage to worry about. A nasty dirty diaper that probably required a change of clothes and a near bathing in a public bathroom. Being forced to leave a few of the kids and the pile of luggage in order to deal with that somewhat lengthy cleanup.

And even knowing that my kids could handle 5-10 minutes sitting outside a bathroom in a public place, I would still have been feeling guilty about leaving them (it's what mom's do best, feel guilty about everything)...

I would have been more than a little stressed at that point. To then walk out of the bathroom and into a stranger who is essentially telling me I'm a sucky mom would probably have been the straw that broke the camels back.

Feel Better, OP. You may even laugh about this someday....
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:11 AM   #81
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Not sure what bothers me more about this thread, that one poster thinks that a call to CPS would be an appropriate course of action, or that another poster thinks a 14 year old is to young to be left unattended. Good grief.
I am scared for the next generation. A 14 year old who can't be by themselves for five minutes is in for a rude awakening when she hits the real world.
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:18 AM   #82
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Eh, even the tears make sense to me.

I would have been stressed under the circumstances. I find airports and travel stressful anyway. Add four kids and a pile of luggage to worry about. A nasty dirty diaper that probably required a change of clothes and a near bathing in a public bathroom. Being forced to leave a few of the kids and the pile of luggage in order to deal with that somewhat lengthy cleanup.

And even knowing that my kids could handle 5-10 minutes sitting outside a bathroom in a public place, I would still have been feeling guilty about leaving them (it's what mom's do best, feel guilty about everything)...

I would have been more than a little stressed at that point. To then walk out of the bathroom and into a stranger who is essentially telling me I'm a sucky mom would probably have been the straw that broke the camels back.

Feel Better, OP. You may even laugh about this someday....
I too find travel w little ones and the luggage very stressful ~ I have traveled with 2 very overzealous boys by myself a few times~ that I needed a cry and a glass of wine when we got where we were headed!

but that agent would have gotten an earful from me ~ and then I would have had a breakdown ~ but only after I told her to mind her own beeswax !

OP~ you did nothing wrong~ I just think you would have felt better had you stuck up for yourself
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:20 AM   #83
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The OP said that her dh *dropped* them off with the luggage, then had to leave to park the car. She said they put the luggage *off to the side* then she went to find a bathroom. Sounds like they were still all *outside* to me.

Gate agents (security) are OUTSIDE, not inside. That indeed would have been a *dangerous* place to have left them. The *gate* security would have been in their rights to investigate the situation.

The story then changed - The OP said she was near a bathroom *inside*. I really can't see airport security (indoor) even noticing a brief situation like the OP is now describing, unless the children were causing a scene big time.

The story is *not* adding up
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:26 AM   #84
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I am scared for the next generation. A 14 year old who can't be by themselves for five minutes is in for a rude awakening when she hits the real world.
The sad thing is that a 14 year old that cant be left alone, is probably not going to be allowed to be part of the real world.
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Old 02-21-2013, 10:37 AM   #85
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Sure, because CPS has enough employees checking up on the children that are being locked in closets, beaten, and/or not fed by their caregivers that they can send their extras to look after the older children waiting for their mother to get out of the airport bathroom.
I read a story where parents took pictures of their kids playing in the bathtub (splashy-splashy, soap-mohawk kind of pictures). They took them to get printed at Wal-mart and Wal-mart called CPS and the kids were taken away from the parents and they didn't get them back for a month I think....

It does seem like CPS will get involved in ridiculous cases.
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I read a story where parents took pictures of their kids playing in the bathtub (splashy-splashy, soap-mohawk kind of pictures). They took them to get printed at Wal-mart and Wal-mart called CPS and the kids were taken away from the parents and they didn't get them back for a month I think....

It does seem like CPS will get involved in ridiculous cases.
I saw that story also, but the children were partially nude, and really didn't see that they were covered, or even using soap bubbles. They definitely *were not* sexually suggestive, and it's too bad they had to go through what they did. That employee was wrong, wrong, wrong. Just have to be so careful taking pictures of your children with just towels, etc. partially covering them.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:31 AM   #87
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I am scared for the next generation. A 14 year old who can't be by themselves for five minutes is in for a rude awakening when she hits the real world.
No kidding. I babysat newborns at that age. Surely, a 14 year old can be left alone briefly in a public place. Many of them fly across the US (and some even globally) at that age unaccompanied.
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The OP said that her dh *dropped* them off with the luggage, then had to leave to park the car. She said they put the luggage *off to the side* then she went to find a bathroom. Sounds like they were still all *outside* to me.

Gate agents (security) are OUTSIDE, not inside. That indeed would have been a *dangerous* place to have left them. The *gate* security would have been in their rights to investigate the situation.

The story then changed - The OP said she was near a bathroom *inside*. I really can't see airport security (indoor) even noticing a brief situation like the OP is now describing, unless the children were causing a scene big time.

The story is *not* adding up
Have you been to Reno airport? It's small. You can be outside and the inside at the check in counter walking about 25 feet. I find nothing confusing about the story at all. Gate agents are INDEED inside the airport. Where else would a gate agent be? What would be the point of having them stand outside the airport? No gates there. I think you might be referring to the people who stand outside and check bags. Those are not gate agents, but baggage personnel. The people who are at the check in counter are the same people who go to the gates to check you in...and commonly called gate agents. Why do people always try to pick apart what people say?
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The OP said that her dh *dropped* them off with the luggage, then had to leave to park the car. She said they put the luggage *off to the side* then she went to find a bathroom. Sounds like they were still all *outside* to me.

Gate agents (security) are OUTSIDE, not inside. That indeed would have been a *dangerous* place to have left them. The *gate* security would have been in their rights to investigate the situation.

The story then changed - The OP said she was near a bathroom *inside*. I really can't see airport security (indoor) even noticing a brief situation like the OP is now describing, unless the children were causing a scene big time.

The story is *not* adding up
The story didn't change. The OP said and I quote ". As we unloaded the suitcases from the car and into the airport, my dd (2) pooped in her pants. It was so bad that it was coming out everywhere. My husband had to move the car because of security, so I was left alone with all four girls and the suitcases. We moved everything off to the side, I sat the older three (11,10 and 4) down next to the suitcases and ran the two year old into the bathroom to quickly change her.

They were inside the airport and she moved the luggage off to the side while dealing with the baby and Dad did the car thing.

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This is the entitlement attitude that the security guard probably encounters all the time and what probably prompted some of the guard's actions.

It is NOT the security guards job to play babysitter. They are in charge of keeping the airport secure, not watching little children while their parents are in the bathroom. Especially since a PP already said that parents are known to just leave children in the airport to go gambling.

And this was a gate agent, not a security guard. Definitely not a babysitter.
I didn't say the guard or agent was a babysitter and don't think she should have gotten involved at all. Kids those ages can sit for a few minutes with luggage, in a near empty airport and be just fine. The guard/agent overreacted. I just don't see anyone giving the kids a hard time knowing how much security is around, and I also don't think it's a big deal for an adult to simply keep an eye out for kids they notice are alone. I keep an eye on kids playing alone outside, I'm not babysitting them, but if I saw someone hassling them I would intervene.

Btw, the other poster did not say kids are left in the Reno airport alone to go gambling, she said it happens in Reno which could be anywhere. Doubtful it's the airport.
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