Disney Information Station Logo

Go Back   The DIS Discussion Forums - DISboards.com > Disney Trip Planning Forums > Theme Parks Attractions and Strategies
Find Hotel Specials & DIScounts
 
facebooktwitterpinterestgoogle plusyoutubeDIS UpdatesDIS email updates
Register Chat FAQ Tickers Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read





Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 02-19-2013, 02:41 PM   #121
Tropical Wilds
The Command considers us a bunch of losers. But we’re gonna do it right this time, ’cause we’re the best. If we don’t... We’ll be drummed out of the corps.
 
Tropical Wilds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Not Disney World
Posts: 1,423

At this point, several of us have been able to say that CM's have been clear that both systems will run together, FP+ and in park FP, at least for awhile, if not permanently.

So... That's the assumption that I'm going to go on, as opposed to the highly changeable TOS on a website that people go on and on and on about how much they hate it and how inaccurate it is, or the "for instance" numbers that we crunch where we can say it does or doesn't work.

I see nothing to panic about just yet, and getting upset over the hypothetical, especially when they defy what has been stated by CMs who're "on the ground" is pointless fretting and pot stirring.
__________________
11/1994 ~ CBR, 11/1996 ~ CBR, 11/1999 ~ Off-site (Grad Night!), 11/2007 ~ CBR, 9/2011 ~ ASMu, 1/2012 ~ POP, 10/2012 ~ POP, 1/2013 ~ Poly, 5/2013 ~ POP, 11/7/2013 ~ CBR Wine and Dine Half Marathon! 2/2014 ~ Poly Glass Slipper Challenge

Next trip: 11/2014 ~ Wine and Dine Half 5th Anniversary


°o°Find Me on Flickr°o°My Blog - The Disney Chef°o°
Tropical Wilds is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 02:47 PM   #122
dadddio
DIS Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,215

Quote:
Originally Posted by golf4miami View Post
The point is you CANNOT with the current proposed FP+ system obtain FPs for all of the rides you're going to want to ride.
I don't know if you can, or not. No details have been given.
Quote:
Originally Posted by golf4miami View Post
There is now way that many FPs would ever be available.
I have no way of knowing how many FPs the company plans on giving. However, that many FPs could certainaly be given, if they chose to do so.
Quote:
Originally Posted by golf4miami View Post
Not to mention you're only allowed to schedule 4 per day.
You are only allowed to PREschedule 4 per day. According to the CM that the OP spoke to, more could be scheduled same-day.
Quote:
Originally Posted by golf4miami View Post
The point is that you never know how many FP+ users would show up at any given time. Therefore any posted SB wait time would have to be taken with a grain of salt because as you put it, they are not guaranteed a ride since they didn't have a FP for it. So, a 20 min posted wait could be a 10 min wait if no FP users show up (Highly unlikely) or it could be 30, 40, or even 50 min if you get a sudden influx of FP users. Just look at what has happened to Test Track and of the DIS board users who have come back complaining of their 20 min posted wait time becoming 120. So no, you can't plan for it.
It still can be forecasted. The company knows how many FPs are given out for a particular period. They will quickly learn how clumpy those guests tend to return and be able to forecast wait times to some degree. As discussed in other threads, that forecasting will never be perfect for the same reasons that it isn't now. It can be more dynamic, however, through the use of RFID readers.
dadddio is offline  
|
The DIS
Register to remove

Join Date: 1997
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 1,000,000
Old 02-19-2013, 02:49 PM   #123
dadddio
DIS Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,215

Quote:
Originally Posted by andyman8 View Post
People who choose to FP+s for other attractions (so, not Space Mt.) would have to wait in the standby line for Space Mountain if FP and FP+ were mutually exclusive.

The scenario where WDW is also distributing FPs assumes that both systems can be used together. According to Disney's T&C, guests would need to have non-RFID tickets to have access to standard FP but in the near future, WDW will not be distributing those types of tickets.

This is not going to be great...
The mere fact that FP+ users will not be able to use the current FP machines does not mean that they will not be able to obtain same-day virtual FPs.
dadddio is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 02:55 PM   #124
mom2mickeyfan
DIS Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,169

Quote:
Originally Posted by dadddio View Post
If you were able to obtain FPs for the rides that you were interested in riding, how would you be unable to ride those rides?
Do you really believe that a family can get a FP+ for EVERY ride we want to ride at MK???
mom2mickeyfan is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 03:02 PM   #125
mom2mickeyfan
DIS Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,169

If they run the FP+ number to fill most all the slots in an hour time frame. How do GAC passes figure in?? I don't know exactly how those work but most of the time it seems they are just allowed into the FP line. I'm not trying to say if they should or shouldn't be...that isn't what this is about. But how can Disney figure in those parties and what they may do to the FP lines when they are trying to fill them to the max. They would never know when those parties would show up.
mom2mickeyfan is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 03:04 PM   #126
Grammy4Lizzy
Mouseketeer
 
Grammy4Lizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Las Vegas
Posts: 251

Quote:
Originally Posted by LOVEMY3KIDDOS View Post
For child swap...just thinking with there being fastpasses on attractions that did not previously have FP...unless that is not the case. Like one that comes tom ind for our personal situation...Haunted Mansion. My kids always rode everything. They were not scared of thrill rides or dark rides. My nephew will be scared on HM. So, can they do a child swap? Or no? I don't know if it was ever an option...as I never had the issue. Just trying to iron things out since I am planning for two families that have varying ages from 2 to 17 (kid-wise).

We currently can't FP things like HM and Pirates. So, if we did that, the others would not ride with us. Is it the common consensus that we will not need to FP them? And they can be visited stand by?
Child swap is designed for rides with height regulations. You can swap parents while the small child does not ride. If the child is afraid of the ride, no child swap. Some cms have allowed swaps in this case, but that is not what it was set up for.
__________________
Magic 11/23/98 Wonder 8/31/06 Wonder 11/26/08 Magic 9/19/09 Magic 10/10 Wonder 4/29/12 Magic 11/2/2014
DVC SSR Since 2005
WDW trips
1977 Off site 1989 offsite 1995 CBR 1998 Dixie Landings 2001 All Star Music 2002 offsite 2006 offsite
2008 SSR 2010 AKL SSR 2/2013 10/2014 SSR
DLR Too many to count since 1955
Grammy4Lizzy is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 03:07 PM   #127
golf4miami
Mouseketeer
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 395

Quote:
Originally Posted by dadddio View Post
I don't know if you can, or not. No details have been given.
I have no way of knowing how many FPs the company plans on giving. However, that many FPs could certainaly be given, if they chose to do so.
You are only allowed to PREschedule 4 per day. According to the CM that the OP spoke to, more could be scheduled same-day.
I'm just going to discuss this one point because I don't feel like repeating myself too much today.

There are conservatively 24 rides and attractions at MK that will have FP+ when this thing finishes with it's roll out. Do you really think that a family, or even a couple in their 20's (of which I am apart of), could realistically get FastPasses for all of those?

I'm sorry it's just not happening.
__________________
golf4miami is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 03:11 PM   #128
mom2mickeyfan
DIS Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,169

Quote:
Originally Posted by golf4miami View Post
I'm just going to discuss this one point because I don't feel like repeating myself too much today.

There are conservatively 24 rides and attractions at MK that will have FP+ when this thing finishes with it's roll out. Do you really think that a family, or even a couple in their 20's (of which I am apart of), could realistically get FastPasses for all of those?

I'm sorry it's just not happening.
And at Epcot, are there even going to be enough FP+'s for most everyone to set up 3 or 4 in advance and have anything left for the day of???
mom2mickeyfan is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 03:27 PM   #129
dadddio
DIS Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 1,215

Quote:
Originally Posted by golf4miami View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by dadddio View Post
I don't know if you can, or not. No details have been given.
I have no way of knowing how many FPs the company plans on giving. However, that many FPs could certainaly be given, if they chose to do so.
You are only allowed to PREschedule 4 per day. According to the CM that the OP spoke to, more could be scheduled same-day.
I'm just going to discuss this one point because I don't feel like repeating myself too much today.

There are conservatively 24 rides and attractions at MK that will have FP+ when this thing finishes with it's roll out. Do you really think that a family, or even a couple in their 20's (of which I am apart of), could realistically get FastPasses for all of those?
No, I do not. However, that's not because of limits to the number of FPs that can be added to the system, but instead due to the FP distribution rules. The so-called two-hour rule and the inherent difficulty of scheduling that many activities is going to break your ability to get a FP for every ride in the park. That being said, what's the percentage of guests who are currently able to hit every ride and attraction in MK on a single day? If it's not zero, it certainly approaches zero.
dadddio is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 03:29 PM   #130
golf4miami
Mouseketeer
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 395

Quote:
Originally Posted by mom2mickeyfan View Post
And at Epcot, are there even going to be enough FP+'s for most everyone to set up 3 or 4 in advance and have anything left for the day of???
Exactly! Epcot and AK especially are going to have to really look for places to fit in FP's if they want to do it this way.

Again one of the biggest reasons why I don't like the change is because the current system is based solely on current demand and nothing else.
__________________
golf4miami is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 03:32 PM   #131
mom2rtk
DIS Veteran
 
mom2rtk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 26,055

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tropical Wilds View Post
At this point, several of us have been able to say that CM's have been clear that both systems will run together, FP+ and in park FP, at least for awhile, if not permanently.

So... That's the assumption that I'm going to go on, as opposed to the highly changeable TOS on a website that people go on and on and on about how much they hate it and how inaccurate it is, or the "for instance" numbers that we crunch where we can say it does or doesn't work.

I see nothing to panic about just yet, and getting upset over the hypothetical, especially when they defy what has been stated by CMs who're "on the ground" is pointless fretting and pot stirring.

I don't think anyone here doubted that the 2 systems would run concurrently, at least for a while. I think the real question is what it will be once the rollout is complete.

And honestly, what the CMs have been told can change just as easily as the TOS on the website.
mom2rtk is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 03:34 PM   #132
mom2mickeyfan
DIS Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,169

Quote:
Originally Posted by golf4miami View Post
Exactly! Epcot and AK especially are going to have to really look for places to fit in FP's if they want to do it this way.

Again one of the biggest reasons why I don't like the change is because the current system is based solely on current demand and nothing else.
And it was purely a level playing field. It was first come....first serve.
mom2mickeyfan is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 03:36 PM   #133
golf4miami
Mouseketeer
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 395

Quote:
Originally Posted by dadddio View Post
No, I do not. However, that's not because of limits to the number of FPs that can be added to the system, but instead due to the FP distribution rules. The so-called two-hour rule and the inherent difficulty of scheduling that many activities is going to break your ability to get a FP for every ride in the park. That being said, what's the percentage of guests who are currently able to hit every ride and attraction in MK on a single day? If it's not zero, it certainly approaches zero.
You said:

Quote:
Originally Posted by dadddio
If you were able to obtain FPs for the rides that you were interested in riding, how would you be unable to ride those rides?
And we already established that it would be next to difficult to ride a ride with a minimal wait without a FP. Do you not see where this becomes extremely difficult and cumbersome to the average family visiting the World?
__________________
golf4miami is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 03:40 PM   #134
parkhopping
DIS Veteran

 
parkhopping's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: 1 hour away from the magic :)
Posts: 1,440

Quote:
Originally Posted by mom2rtk View Post
I don't think anyone here doubted that the 2 systems would run concurrently, at least for a while. I think the real question is what it will be once the rollout is complete.

And honestly, what the CMs have been told can change just as easily as the TOS on the website.
Exactly. As long as FP is available, I have no problems with FP+. But it doesn't make sense for them to offer both indefinitely. As the 1st page of the "know/want to know" thread stated, "logic says [FP] will fade away."
__________________


MK '99 ~ WDW vacation '01 (ASMu) ~ DL/DCA '03 ~ Now a FL resident seasonal passholder!
Everything you ever wanted to know about Be Our Guest
parkhopping is offline  
Old 02-19-2013, 03:47 PM   #135
mom2mickeyfan
DIS Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,169

Quote:
Originally Posted by dadddio View Post
That being said, what's the percentage of guests who are currently able to hit every ride and attraction in MK on a single day? If it's not zero, it certainly approaches zero.
I didn't mention doing everything. I just mentioned everything we wanted to do. Last year at MK, in June with over an hour spent just sitting waiting for a downpour to pass, my family rode.

Dumbo
Barnstormer x 3
Peter Pan w/FP
IASW
Winnie the Pooh
Philharmagic
HM
BTMR x 2 w/ FP
Splash Mountain DH & DS rode 2 times w/ FP
Pirates
Jungle Cruise
People Mover
Buzz w/ FP
COP
Played Sorcerer of Magic Kingdom
and
Had an ADR for a early lunch

There wasn't anything that we wanted to do that we didn't get to do. It doesn't seem like that is going to be possible anymore. Most all of those rides were without FPs and with the longest wait about 30 minutes.
mom2mickeyfan is offline  
Closed Thread



Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

facebooktwitterpinterestgoogle plusyoutubeDIS Updates
GET OUR DIS UPDATES DELIVERED BY EMAIL



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:43 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Copyright © 1997-2014, Werner Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved.