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Old 02-19-2013, 07:05 PM   #121
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It's obvious that no one is understanding this at all. I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about the fact that your three more groups of 4 also did not get those FP's because the first group already got them.

I am obviously oblivious to theme park normality's. Apparently the perks that are given out were designed only for those that got up early and make a vacation into a marathon. I don't think that was the original intent. No one should lose if they snooze. When did this become a contest.

I will end my involvement with this discussion by asking this. Suppose you made a reservation to your favorite restaurant because you had a real craving for their special Steak and Baked Potato. You made that reservation when it could fit in with your life. You get to the restaurant and when you place your order they tell you that they were incredibly sorry but there was this large group of people that came in earlier and had ordered the Steak and Baked Potato and they were all out. They did, however, tell you that they have quite a few bowls of Cheerio's left and they would be more than happy to give you that instead, same price of course. Would that be a suitable substitute for what you wanted? I mean after all it must be fair cause when you snooze you lose.
If Disney felt that no matter what time you show up you should be able to get a fast pass, then they would have only released a certain amount per hour until the end of the day.
That is not the way they set it up. They allowed you to get more than one fast pass to any particular ride per day. It not the person getting the FP problem that the 4 peole 6 hours down the road did not get to ride that ride on a FP. The could go standby. No one is blocking them at the entrance because they came late. There are no signs that say "Sorry you got here late, no ride for you today".
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:10 PM   #122
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You could pull the same FP all day, the only limitations were the 2 rules I described.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:22 PM   #123
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By your logic, it was wrong of others to order the steak. They should have ordered Cheerios to ensure that you would be able to have steak. Just like with FP, you could have known that the steaks in this restaurant are very popular and they often run out. Thus, you could have arrived earlier to ensure you got one. In your steak example (as in the FP example), you are expecting others to adapt to your schedule instead of taking responsibility for your own choices.

The fact is... we sometimes have to accept disappointment in life, whether that disappointment comes in the form of the restaurant running out of steak or FPs running out.

If life was fair, we'd all be rich and good looking!

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I tried my best to word my response carefully but I apparently didn't do it well enough. I wasn't saying anything about whether or not they should have ordered the S & BP. The point I was trying to get across was in rebuttal to the comments saying, if you can't get Everest, there will be some available for other rides. That may or may not be true, but assuming it is, the point is you didn't want the other rides, you were hoping for Everest. The substitution is not comparable. (i.e. Steak vs. Cheerio's)

That's why I think if Disney is going to have FP then they need to charge for it. That will create two situations. The first is fewer will be used then if they are free, more people will have the opportunity to get to their favorite ride quicker and the second is that people can actually have a vacation, not a road race.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:24 PM   #124
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That's why I think if Disney is going to have FP then they need to charge for it. That will create two situations. The first is fewer will be used then if they are free, more people will have the opportunity to get to their favorite ride quicker and the second is that people can actually have a vacation, not a road race.
Having a larger pocketbook is a fairer way to determine who gets the FP seats?
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:28 PM   #125
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Having a larger pocketbook is a fairer way to determine who gets the FP seats?
Apparently. Who knew?

"Fair" is such a ridiculously loaded word.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:33 PM   #126
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So? Why not? You have no idea of who is coming along behind you, what they were doing when you picked up the fast passes, or if they even like the ride as much as you do. Person A may have a teenager who really really loves a ride, while Person C may have someone who could take or leave that ride, and just grabs a FP because it is there.

I don't think we need to put sooo much thought into this. No rule states you can't pick up more than one FP per person for one ride. And it take courtesy to an almost crazy level to not get one because someone else "may" want one.
I don't think, at least I hope, that I didn't cast disapproval on the individuals that did that. As I look back, it might have come across that way. My feeling is that Disney created a situation that can and does eliminate many perks to those that don't or can't conform to the timing involved with doing the same thing themselves. The system is what allowed them to be able to have 5 sets of FP's to the same ride at the same time.

I don't for a minute think that Disney anticipated that. That happened and was unforeseen. Again the Gorilla is in the middle of the living room, who's going to move him out. You, yourself said that they could easily have changed it if they cared enough. I'm saying that I agree, they didn't care enough and wouldn't have ever changed anything if they didn't have another fish to fry. I think that they made assumptions that people would be courteous enough to not pick up that many at one time, but as it turns out that isn't really the issue. Maybe courteous is probably not the right word to use here. I don't think that they ever thought that it would even occur to anyone to even try to do it.

It's that they can play within the rules and do that. No harm, no foul towards them. But Disney should have been more thoughtful and more aware of the rest of their Guests and one would think that their happiness would count for something as well. I just don't give the crew at Disney that much credit to say that they are sensitive to the concerns of others or certainly not enough to admit an error and fix it.
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Old 02-19-2013, 07:40 PM   #127
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I tried my best to word my response carefully but I apparently didn't do it well enough. I wasn't saying anything about whether or not they should have ordered the S & BP. The point I was trying to get across was in rebuttal to the comments saying, if you can't get Everest, there will be some available for other rides. That may or may not be true, but assuming it is, the point is you didn't want the other rides, you were hoping for Everest. The substitution is not comparable. (i.e. Steak vs. Cheerio's)

That's why I think if Disney is going to have FP then they need to charge for it. That will create two situations. The first is fewer will be used then if they are free, more people will have the opportunity to get to their favorite ride quicker and the second is that people can actually have a vacation, not a road race.

YOU CAN STILL RIDE EVEREST AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT...in the standby line. Same for those who pull multiple FP for Everest if Disney does away with with allowing multiple FP for a single ride, we can still ride standby as many times as we want.

By your logic, nobody should be allowed multiple rides on any ride in any line. That would make it unfair to others who would like to ride the ride without a long wait. Back to the old ticket books then aye?

If someone isn't savvy enough to book an advanced FP for Everest or get there before they run out for the day, then they too can still ride (or have their precious steak and baked potato). They just have to wait for it.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:24 PM   #128
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We were always the evil hoarders that would collect FP throughout the day and end up with 5 or 6 for different rides when you could return at any time. We usually rode the ride in standby first and then grabbed a FP for later afterwards.

One of the coolest things I liked to do was to offer random people our unused FP's if we decided to hop to another park instead of staying around. Disney has ruined my magical feeling. I like to be nice and all, but I'm not going to hand my Smartphone or Magicallycraptastic bracelet to them on my way out of the exit.

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Old 02-19-2013, 08:40 PM   #129
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I give up. I am not able to put the proper words in the proper sequence to explain my thoughts. That's OK, since what I feel about it and $4.00 will get you a coffee someplace. Not that important. It will be interesting to see how FP+ actually affects everything that we have gotten used to over the years. I think it's going to be tough sledding for both Disney and the rest of us for a while.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:45 PM   #130
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<snip> does it not bother you at all that you had deprived 16 others from getting a FP for that ride, just so you could ride it over and over and over and over and over? The question is this. Even if you can, should you?
Peter, I am in 100% agreement with you on this subject but rest assured that the fast pass abusers, and that is what they are, will not benefit at all from that abuse. They are more annoyed and discontented than an average person waiting in the standby line. Nothing is fast enough for them, they will even complain of how long the wait is in the Fast Pass Line. So smile, enjoy life and let the couple next to you get ahead of you in line, talk to the children, and continue to enjoy what a vacation is truly about. Don't bring the "world" into Disney World. I think Walt would be proud of us.
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I don't think, at least I hope, that I didn't cast disapproval on the individuals that did that. As I look back, it might have come across that way. My feeling is that Disney created a situation that can and does eliminate many perks to those that don't or can't conform to the timing involved with doing the same thing themselves. The system is what allowed them to be able to have 5 sets of FP's to the same ride at the same time.
I hope you realize those photos are from the pre-enforcement era. It's pretty much impossible to hold five sets of FPs at once anymore.
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Peter, I am in 100% agreement with you on this subject but rest assured that the fast pass abusers, and that is what they are, will not benefit at all from that abuse. They are more annoyed and discontented than an average person waiting in the standby line. Nothing is fast enough for them, they will even complain of how long the wait is in the Fast Pass Line. So smile, enjoy life and let the couple next to you get ahead of you in line, talk to the children, and continue to enjoy what a vacation is truly about. Don't bring the "world" into Disney World. I think Walt would be proud of us.
Sour grapes disguised as run of the mill condecension.
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I hope you realize those photos are from the pre-enforcement era. It's pretty much impossible to hold five sets of FPs at once anymore.
I managed three sets at once the other day, but that's probably about as far as I can stretch it anymore. I was winded.
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One of the coolest things I liked to do was to offer random people our unused FP's if we decided to hop to another park instead of staying around.
Better change your name and wear disguise the next time you go to WDW. Apparently Disney thinks this is one of the worst kind of crimes. Even sharing your FP's with your own children is frowned on by them!!

BTW...I don't believe Disney cares that much either way but some others have mentioned that this is one of the things that Disney is trying to "fix" with this new system.
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