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Old 02-19-2013, 03:02 PM   #106
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You snooze, you lose.
I'm afraid that's not a very popular sentiment these days.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:03 PM   #107
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I'm not getting your angle.
I think the angle is that we should all only pull one set of FP per ride to be nice. And leave more FP for other guests. Who apparently will all only pull one set of FP per ride.

Seems a very strange way to vacation at a theme park. Only doing something once so that others get at turn. What is wrong with first come, first served? If someone chooses to sleep in, or tour a different park before heading to AK, why should they expect others to leave FP for them to grab?

Do what is important. Follow the rules Disney has set down, and have a ball! If we all spent our vacations worrying that we were taking up too much space in FP lines, or in lines at the food kiosks, or at the bus stops, we would all go batty!
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:05 PM   #108
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To say others were deprived is a little over the top. Standby is always an option for everyone, including those who couldn't get a FP.
If the new system limits everyone to one FP per ride per day, standby will still be an option for those who wish to ride again.

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Okay, I"ve read through perhaps half of this thread, and I'm trying to sort out all this FastPass+ info... so help me understand a few things, eg right or wrong..

1. New FastPass lets you "reserve" FP's in advance of your arrival, up to 60 days. If so, and everyone and their dog starts reserving FP's, how will that not just create brand new lines with everyone waiting for their FP time to arrive, making the whole concept of a "stand by" line pointless, eg you'll never get in because FP folks are going to have "reserved" en masse weeks before your arrival?
If enough people can obtain FPs, then the only people who will be in the SB line will be those who want to ride multiple times. I have no problem with those people having to wait.
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2. FP+'s were always given specified time intervals for returning. These intervals were somewhat softly or inconsistently enforced before, but are now being more rigorously enforced now. True or not?
Not. The intervals were not previously enforced. Disney's CM training specifically directed CMs to accept 'expired' FPs. This changed a year or so ago.
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3. Do some or all rides/attractions that had FP previously automatically have FP+ now? Or is the old FP gone, and everyone's FP stored on their MyMagic tags?
As I understand it, the list of rides are being expanded, not contracted. As such, those rides that currently have FP should have FP+, in addition to other rides and attractions.
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4. I keep reading confusing posts and info about limitations on getting FP's with the new system. I thought you were limited in getting an FP on the current system. Is there now some sort of daily limit overall?
No such limit has been officially released.
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5. If my FP's are issued to the MyMagic bracelet electronically, how do I know the *specific* time range for which I must return?
YOu can write it down, check your smartphone app, or visit a kiosk.
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6. Is there anything else *specific* about the "new" FP+ system (other than early reservations) that is fundamentally different from the old, either in terms of hard rules?
no such specifics have been released.
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7. The biggest things for our crew will be Soarin', Test Track, and Toy Story Mania, so if we need to plan ahead, do I need to engage in special strategies to have any hope of getting to any of them?
No one knows.
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8. Hopefully I don't sound like too much of a rube; been to Disney several times, but the FP+ business is new, and while I read a lot of "FP+ is coming!" stories, I can't say I've seen a great deal of hard detail on how it will work. I'm trying not to be a "clueless guest" during our visit this summer...
No one has details.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:07 PM   #109
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I'm afraid that's not a very popular sentiment these days.
Neither is the notion of only being allowed to FP a ride once.
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Old 02-19-2013, 03:57 PM   #110
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When I've paid almost $300 for my family to get into the park, plus travel and hotel, I DO NOT CARE about how many E ticket rides everyone else gets. I don't buy into the socialist agenda in any situation.

I am all about maximizing MY FAMILIES' enjoyment, within the rules of the system.

Sadly, FP+ is likely going to greatly limit my control over that amount of enjoyment.

Which will minimize my trips to Disney parks.

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Old 02-19-2013, 05:12 PM   #111
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I'm not getting your angle.

If a group of 4 is able to get 4 FP rides on (let's say) Expedition Everest, then good for them. That NOW leaves 20 FP slots open at Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the other rides in the park.

Also it is in NO way different than those same 4 people getting one set of FP and then three more groups of 4 coming along and getting a set of FP. You (the people being "deprived" by others) still aren't getting FP because you didn't plan accordingly...it doesn't matter if it's one gorup of 4 riding four times or 4 groups of four riding once...or 20 people riding once.

You snooze, you lose.
It's obvious that no one is understanding this at all. I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about the fact that your three more groups of 4 also did not get those FP's because the first group already got them.

I am obviously oblivious to theme park normality's. Apparently the perks that are given out were designed only for those that got up early and make a vacation into a marathon. I don't think that was the original intent. No one should lose if they snooze. When did this become a contest.

I will end my involvement with this discussion by asking this. Suppose you made a reservation to your favorite restaurant because you had a real craving for their special Steak and Baked Potato. You made that reservation when it could fit in with your life. You get to the restaurant and when you place your order they tell you that they were incredibly sorry but there was this large group of people that came in earlier and had ordered the Steak and Baked Potato and they were all out. They did, however, tell you that they have quite a few bowls of Cheerio's left and they would be more than happy to give you that instead, same price of course. Would that be a suitable substitute for what you wanted? I mean after all it must be fair cause when you snooze you lose.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:15 PM   #112
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I think the angle is that we should all only pull one set of FP per ride to be nice. And leave more FP for other guests. Who apparently will all only pull one set of FP per ride.

Seems a very strange way to vacation at a theme park. Only doing something once so that others get at turn. What is wrong with first come, first served? If someone chooses to sleep in, or tour a different park before heading to AK, why should they expect others to leave FP for them to grab?

Do what is important. Follow the rules Disney has set down, and have a ball! If we all spent our vacations worrying that we were taking up too much space in FP lines, or in lines at the food kiosks, or at the bus stops, we would all go batty!
Yes, and there was a time when it truly was first come, first serve, everyday, all day and then they put in Fastpass and made a absolutely fair system into a winner take all contest.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:16 PM   #113
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It's obvious that no one is understanding this at all. I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about the fact that your three more groups of 4 also did not get those FP's because the first group already got them.
If Guest B gets in a line behind someone else, that someone else will be in front of GUEST B.

That also goes for anyone who arrived at the FP machines ahead of GUEST B.

Somebody is going to be first.
Either in the "real" line or in the "virtual" FP line.

There's a reason I make an effort to be early.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:30 PM   #114
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It's obvious that no one is understanding this at all. I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about the fact that your three more groups of 4 also did not get those FP's because the first group already got them.

I am obviously oblivious to theme park normality's. Apparently the perks that are given out were designed only for those that got up early and make a vacation into a marathon. I don't think that was the original intent. No one should lose if they snooze. When did this become a contest.

I will end my involvement with this discussion by asking this. Suppose you made a reservation to your favorite restaurant because you had a real craving for their special Steak and Baked Potato. You made that reservation when it could fit in with your life. You get to the restaurant and when you place your order they tell you that they were incredibly sorry but there was this large group of people that came in earlier and had ordered the Steak and Baked Potato and they were all out. They did, however, tell you that they have quite a few bowls of Cheerio's left and they would be more than happy to give you that instead, same price of course. Would that be a suitable substitute for what you wanted? I mean after all it must be fair cause when you snooze you lose.


But if I made the reservation and you didn't, then you may have snoozed and lost. There are always advantages to planning ahead and working for something.
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Old 02-19-2013, 05:31 PM   #115
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If Guest B gets in a line behind someone else, that someone else will be in front of GUEST B.

That also goes for anyone who arrived at the FP machines ahead of GUEST B.

Somebody is going to be first.
Either in the "real" line or the "virtual" FP line.

There's a reason I make an effort to be early.
Sure but in this case we are talking about the line consisting of Guest A, followed by Guest A, followed by Guest A, followed by Guest A, followed by Guest A. Then if they are lucky there might be a few left for Guest B through Guest V leaving none for Guest W, X, Y and Z. Group A got theirs and are currently circling around through the Fastpass line like the wheel on speeding car. I realize that they didn't just stand there and pick up the first five available, but they did jump in there at random intervals between B and V.

A,B,C,D,A,E,F,G,H,A,I,J,K,L,A,M,N,O,A,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V and oops, sorry W,X,Y & Z. All gone.
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Sure but in this case we are talking about the line consisting of Guest A, followed by Guest A, followed by Guest A, followed by Guest A, followed by Guest A. Then if they are lucky there might be a few left for Guest B through Guest V leaving none for Guest W, X, Y and Z. Group A got theirs and are currently circling around through the Fastpass line like the wheel on speeding car. I realize that they didn't just stand there and pick up the first five available, but they did jump in there at random intervals between B and V.

A,B,C,D,A,E,F,G,H,A,I,J,K,L,A,M,N,O,A,P,Q,R,S,T,U,V and oops, sorry W,X,Y & Z. All gone.
So? Why not? You have no idea of who is coming along behind you, what they were doing when you picked up the fast passes, or if they even like the ride as much as you do. Person A may have a teenager who really really loves a ride, while Person C may have someone who could take or leave that ride, and just grabs a FP because it is there.

I don't think we need to put sooo much thought into this. No rule states you can't pick up more than one FP per person for one ride. And it take courtesy to an almost crazy level to not get one because someone else "may" want one.
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When I've paid almost $300 for my family to get into the park, plus travel and hotel, I DO NOT CARE about how many E ticket rides everyone else gets. I don't buy into the socialist agenda in any situation.

I am all about maximizing MY FAMILIES' enjoyment, within the rules of the system.

Sadly, FP+ is likely going to greatly limit my control over that amount of enjoyment.

Which will minimize my trips to Disney parks.

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All these socialist responses are amusing, but I think that they miss the real point. The company is apparently making a change that they believe will increase revenue by making more of their guests happy. That's not socialism.
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It's obvious that no one is understanding this at all. I'm not talking about me. I'm talking about the fact that your three more groups of 4 also did not get those FP's because the first group already got them.

I am obviously oblivious to theme park normality's. Apparently the perks that are given out were designed only for those that got up early and make a vacation into a marathon. I don't think that was the original intent. No one should lose if they snooze. When did this become a contest.

I will end my involvement with this discussion by asking this. Suppose you made a reservation to your favorite restaurant because you had a real craving for their special Steak and Baked Potato. You made that reservation when it could fit in with your life. You get to the restaurant and when you place your order they tell you that they were incredibly sorry but there was this large group of people that came in earlier and had ordered the Steak and Baked Potato and they were all out. They did, however, tell you that they have quite a few bowls of Cheerio's left and they would be more than happy to give you that instead, same price of course. Would that be a suitable substitute for what you wanted? I mean after all it must be fair cause when you snooze you lose.
By your logic, it was wrong of others to order the steak. They should have ordered Cheerios to ensure that you would be able to have steak. Just like with FP, you could have known that the steaks in this restaurant are very popular and they often run out. Thus, you could have arrived earlier to ensure you got one. In your steak example (as in the FP example), you are expecting others to adapt to your schedule instead of taking responsibility for your own choices.

The fact is... we sometimes have to accept disappointment in life, whether that disappointment comes in the form of the restaurant running out of steak or FPs running out.

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But the little known adder at TDL, and WDW, and probalby all parks, I've been told, is that rule 2 does not apply if you are getting an FP for a ride that you already have an FP for, with a start time still in the future.-R
Not sure where you heard that, but it's incorrect.

You could pull the same FP all day, the only limitations were the 2 rules I described.
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