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Old 02-19-2013, 10:30 AM   #91
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I'm curious to see just how much the new system will impact the average visitor. Lets face it the average visitor just shows up ,usually late and thinks they will have fun until the see the lines. When i talk Disny planning most people think its crazy. We always went to our favorite ride got FP rode standby then went to next favorite picked up Fp and rode stand by and saved passed for later. I never felt gulty because if we knew we wouldent get back we would find a family of five that looked like they were about to meltdown and surprise them with our. FP. Talk about magical moments . Now I will be able to book our FP months out which will be great for us. I have Fibromyalgia so I have to plan to survive but lets face it you get more for your money when you plan evrything in advance. I think that average clueless visitor WILL LOSE. There is no learning curve. You either know 180 days out or you dont uses FP much like the average visitor has a hell of a time getting a sit down meal without a crazy wait.
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I also agree. And although I firmly believe that Disney can do what they want with their FPs, it bugs me that it appears that are trying to limit our family (that takes the time to be informed, be there at rope drop and spend more time in the park) and save them for families that aren't willing to do the same. I once travelled with my DB's family and gave my sister-in-law my Disney planning book and told her she just needed to get an idea which rides were most important for their family to do. We hit the parks the first day and she looked at me and said "where should go?". When I asked what they wanted to ride, she had no idea! I had to fight the whole day trying to get them to understand it was not the best way to tour to just stop at the first ride you get and move around the park. They knew they needed to be informed and just decided not to do it. They have another trip planned for fall of this year (without our family!!! ) and they will make no more plans than they did before. There is NO WAY they will be setting up FP+'s 60 days out. No matter how many times I tell them they need to. I wonder what families like this will find when they hit the park.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:37 AM   #92
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I really hope they do work out the kinks. I love Disney mostly due to nostalgia and the wonderful memories we've made there. Its a special place and nobody else comes close. I want this to work. Based on what I've been reading, my trust level is a little low right now. It would be a shame for someone's once in a lifetime trip to be marred by Disney working out the kinks.
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:58 AM   #93
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I think Disney is planning to "deal" with "low information" visitors with their quick pick system.

I'm not as convinced it will actually accomplish what they want though, and expect to see a fairly high no-show rate. Which will be fine once they quantify it and offer enough FP+ slots to compensate. Those going during the roll-out period are the ones who will likely get the short end of this stick.
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:00 AM   #94
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I'm curious to see just how much the new system will impact the average visitor. Lets face it the average visitor just shows up ,usually late and thinks they will have fun until the see the lines. When i talk Disny planning most people think its crazy. We always went to our favorite ride got FP rode standby then went to next favorite picked up Fp and rode stand by and saved passed for later. I never felt gulty because if we knew we wouldent get back we would find a family of five that looked like they were about to meltdown and surprise them with our. FP. Talk about magical moments . Now I will be able to book our FP months out which will be great for us. I have Fibromyalgia so I have to plan to survive but lets face it you get more for your money when you plan evrything in advance. I think that average clueless visitor WILL LOSE. There is no learning curve. You either know 180 days out or you dont uses FP much like the average visitor has a hell of a time getting a sit down meal without a crazy wait.
First off, you violated the terms of the FPs. They are not transferable. Not up to you or anyone else to act as a distribution point for FPs.

As for why Disney didnt make any changes to the FP system, that is mere speculation. It could be based on several factors. Keep in mind that the My Magic + initiative was years in the making. They may have wanted to make changes with the FP system but waited because of the whole FP overhaul as part of the My Magic+ program. Again, Disney may seen problems that they wanted to correct with FP but just waited.

And it is too early to tell how the average "clueless" visitor will be affected because FP+ hasnt even been rolled out yet and already we are seeing conflicting reports on how it will function.
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:53 PM   #95
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Holy Mickey Ears! You mean they've started turning you away if you got fast passes for 10:00-10:30 and you come back at 10:50?? What if you were stuck in a line somewhere? Or stuck eating? That really stinks!! We used to get FPs knowing we could ride later, as long as it was after the first time on the FP.

Phooey! Do the new touring plans take this little kink into account now??
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:00 PM   #96
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Wow, this is a great thread, and the anti FP+ posts aren't being removed like another site.

The clueless guest issue is the HUGE wildcard in all this. Will Disney automatically sign guests up for FP+, if they don't do it themselves? They should, to try and make them happy, since they can always change it, when they finally DO get a clue.

The one thing this is defintely going to do is ruin the experience that the EE fan, and myself, and many others were used to having. A day of E ticket rides with FPs. With FP+, it really is looking like we will ALL have a ONE E ticket FP day, and be in standby for all the others.

Yes, this levels the playing field, socialism for E ticket lines, if you will. The person showing up at noon will get just as many E ticket FPs as I do, showing up 30 minutes before RD, and knowing the system liket he back of my hand. The thing is, that doesnt' make the clueless perons happier, becuase they were ignorant to the whole issue to begin with. But it DOES really upset anyone who knew how to use the FP system to its fulles. You know, the ones that some say are abusers.

But the truely clueless Grand Floridian guest will have a horrible day, since they will be waiting in long lines for everything, even though they are paying through the nose. This is why I ultimately beleive FP+ will vary drastically based on resort level. And I could even see GF guests getting text alerts if an E ticket FP that they want is now available if they want to change their schedule.

I cancelled our plans to visit this year. There are simply too many questions, and as it looks, FP+ is going to make our standard visit a part of Yesterland. And I'm not paying $85 a day to get one E ticket, and then wait in 60 minute plus lines for all the other ones. Not with the Hard Rock Hotel just down the road, and it's associated perks.

I just hope MNSSHP remains FP/FP+ free. It will truly be the Nirvana of MK visiting opportunities. Hell, we may do weekend trips to Florida JUST for MNSSHP, if FP+ does what it looks like it will be doing.

One other observation about the EE FPs. I'm surprised you could do this. There is/was a little known FP rule that you could NOT get an FP for a ride that you had an FP for already, if the start time of that FP hasn't arrived yet. My guess is these FPs are from a slow day, or that rule would have triggered. It took a CM a VERY long time to describe the rule to me at TDL when I was trying to get a second Pooh FP hours before the one in my hand was usable.

FP+ is NOT designed to increase the average Disboarder's visit to WDW fun factor. Many folks see this already. Some are apparently not smart enough to see through the PR fog. It seems to be a big intelligence test for WDW visitors. If the rollout proves the average guest is a moron, and happy with one E ticket FP a day, then that's what the new norm will be.

Visiting the DMV, and watching recent elections makes me quite confident that single E ticket FP days will be the norm from here on out.

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Old 02-19-2013, 01:03 PM   #97
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Holy Mickey Ears!

1- You mean they've started turning you away if you got fast passes for 10:00-10:30 and you come back at 10:50??

2- What if you were stuck in a line somewhere? Or stuck eating?

3- That really stinks!! We used to get FPs knowing we could ride later, as long as it was after the first time on the FP.

Phooey!

4- Do the new touring plans take this little kink into account now??
1- Yup. (Actually the window in your example would be 9:30-10:30- always one hour.)

2- Certain KINDS of delays may (or may not) figure into that cut-off
but, in general, you must return within the posted one-hour window.

3- Many agree. (Some, however, think it's just peachy.)
The enforced one-hour window is price of adding the "new improved" system.

4- Some do. All WILL, very soon.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:15 PM   #98
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Thanks, Robo!!

Not the answer I wanted, lol--but good to have the info! And love the way you numbered & answered! Cracked me up!

Thanks again!!
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:21 PM   #99
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There is/was a little known FP rule that you could NOT get an FP for a ride that you had an FP for already, if the start time of that FP hasn't arrived yet. -R
The rule is/was:

You can get another FP when:

1. Your current FP window opens.
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2. 2 hours from the time you received your current FP.

Which ever was the sooner of those times.

And,

Sometimes, much earlier than 2 hours too. FP's sometimes had a quick return time, much less than 2 hours. Not sure if this happened at EE, but for sure rules 1 and 2 above always applied.

Just applying rules 1 and 2:

If a guest was there at rope drop for 8am, get a FP by 8:15, next would be available at 10:15, then 12:15, 2:15, 4:15. Plenty of time to collect 5 FPs.
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:38 PM   #100
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If a guest was there at rope drop for 8am, get a FP by 8:15, next would be available at 10:15, then 12:15, 2:15, 4:15. Plenty of time to collect 5 FPs.
Sort of hard to do if you're in bed sleeping though.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:08 PM   #101
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Okay, I"ve read through perhaps half of this thread, and I'm trying to sort out all this FastPass+ info... so help me understand a few things, eg right or wrong..

1. New FastPass lets you "reserve" FP's in advance of your arrival, up to 60 days. If so, and everyone and their dog starts reserving FP's, how will that not just create brand new lines with everyone waiting for their FP time to arrive, making the whole concept of a "stand by" line pointless, eg you'll never get in because FP folks are going to have "reserved" en masse weeks before your arrival?

2. FP+'s were always given specified time intervals for returning. These intervals were somewhat softly or inconsistently enforced before, but are now being more rigorously enforced now. True or not?

3. Do some or all rides/attractions that had FP previously automatically have FP+ now? Or is the old FP gone, and everyone's FP stored on their MyMagic tags?

4. I keep reading confusing posts and info about limitations on getting FP's with the new system. I thought you were limited in getting an FP on the current system. Is there now some sort of daily limit overall?

5. If my FP's are issued to the MyMagic bracelet electronically, how do I know the *specific* time range for which I must return?

6. Is there anything else *specific* about the "new" FP+ system (other than early reservations) that is fundamentally different from the old, either in terms of hard rules?

7. The biggest things for our crew will be Soarin', Test Track, and Toy Story Mania, so if we need to plan ahead, do I need to engage in special strategies to have any hope of getting to any of them?

8. Hopefully I don't sound like too much of a rube; been to Disney several times, but the FP+ business is new, and while I read a lot of "FP+ is coming!" stories, I can't say I've seen a great deal of hard detail on how it will work. I'm trying not to be a "clueless guest" during our visit this summer...

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[QUOTE=fan1080;47556304]The rule is/was:

You can get another FP when:

1. Your current FP window opens.
or
2. 2 hours from the time you received your current FP.

Which ever was the sooner of those times.
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But the little known adder at TDL, and WDW, and probalby all parks, I've been told, is that rule 2 does not apply if you are getting an FP for a ride that you already have an FP for, with a start time still in the future.

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Old 02-19-2013, 02:29 PM   #103
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Do you not use fastpass? It's available to every single guest in the park, free of charge.
Of course I use Fastpass. It's practically a necessity now. However, my concern over this is something that everyone else does not seem to see. If someone, through perfectly legal means takes a total of 20 Fastpasses when there are four people in their party they just deprived 16 people from getting a Fastpass. Why is that so hard to understand? All of you that support that idea should stop and think that perhaps you are being unable to get a fastpass because of that. Getting there early should do no more than let you get a Fastpass and go to the ride and do it via Standby when the lines are short and use the Fastpass when it comes due.

There are limited numbers of Fastpasses available per day. When they are gone (and it doesn't really matter what time) they are gone. The 16 people that got to the FP kiosk at a time when there should be 16 left, will be left out because someone else, that didn't care about "other people" took them all earlier. Now that same 4 people will use the Fasspass line 5 times today when another another 4 groups of 4 cannot use them at all. They are all gone. It may be within the rules, but is it right?

I understand that it is their right to do so. I am merely expressing that I think that system, set up by Disney, is not very fair to others that might have a legitimate reason why they cannot get there earlier. Personally, no matter how much I like a ride, I take one set of FP's and if the compulsion to go again strikes me, I then go to the Standby line.
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:39 PM   #104
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Didn't say they couldn't, but if they didn't happen to be there right at that time, they are out of luck. 16 people could not ride via FP because one group took them. One shouldn't have to know everyone elses schedule in order to take advantage of it. If there is one thing that the limited information concerning FP+ I can support it is the rumor that one will be able to get one set of FP's for the ride and after that if they want to ride a gazillion times they would just have to go to Standby lines.



I knew that my response wasn't going to be appreciated because in today's society that is the prevailing attitude. Who cares how my actions affect others. That's their problem. I don't have to have any concern for them, it's about me, me, me!



And if it was Everest that they wanted, but to bad for them.
Should I be able to get in the standby line more than once if I get there early? Your attitude is worse than the people getting the fastpasses. Your logic is that you should be able to sleep in and still get what YOU want. No extra work or going out of your way to get it. How about you put in the actual effort to get what you want instead of expecting others to plan around YOUR schedule?
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Old 02-19-2013, 02:56 PM   #105
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Of course I use Fastpass. It's practically a necessity now. However, my concern over this is something that everyone else does not seem to see. If someone, through perfectly legal means takes a total of 20 Fastpasses when there are four people in their party they just deprived 16 people from getting a Fastpass. Why is that so hard to understand? All of you that support that idea should stop and think that perhaps you are being unable to get a fastpass because of that. Getting there early should do no more than let you get a Fastpass and go to the ride and do it via Standby when the lines are short and use the Fastpass when it comes due.

There are limited numbers of Fastpasses available per day. When they are gone (and it doesn't really matter what time) they are gone. The 16 people that got to the FP kiosk at a time when there should be 16 left, will be left out because someone else, that didn't care about "other people" took them all earlier. Now that same 4 people will use the Fasspass line 5 times today when another another 4 groups of 4 cannot use them at all. They are all gone. It may be within the rules, but is it right?

I understand that it is their right to do so. I am merely expressing that I think that system, set up by Disney, is not very fair to others that might have a legitimate reason why they cannot get there earlier. Personally, no matter how much I like a ride, I take one set of FP's and if the compulsion to go again strikes me, I then go to the Standby line.
I'm not getting your angle.

If a group of 4 is able to get 4 FP rides on (let's say) Expedition Everest, then good for them. That NOW leaves 20 FP slots open at Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaall the other rides in the park.

Also it is in NO way different than those same 4 people getting one set of FP and then three more groups of 4 coming along and getting a set of FP. You (the people being "deprived" by others) still aren't getting FP because you didn't plan accordingly...it doesn't matter if it's one gorup of 4 riding four times or 4 groups of four riding once...or 20 people riding once.

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