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Old 02-16-2013, 08:16 PM   #46
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I read the posts, no one said anything about people who didn't have those qualifiers you listed above needing one.
Maybe I didn't express myself well. You brought up a number of reasons someone should have a passport. Aside from the "traveling out of country", we don't know if those 900 passport-less passengers (say that 10 times fast) fall under the conditions.

Really, it doesn't matter whether everyone on the ship had passports or not. They STILL didn't need them for this trip.
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:23 PM   #47
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Maybe I didn't express myself well. You brought up a number of reasons someone should have a passport. Aside from the "traveling out of country", we don't know if those 900 passport-less passengers (say that 10 times fast) fall under the conditions.

Really, it doesn't matter whether everyone on the ship had passports or not. They STILL didn't need them for this trip.
They may not have needed them for the original intention of the trip, but once an emergency happens, the original trip has now ended, and a new one has begun, and that is when a passport may be needed.

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Old 02-16-2013, 08:41 PM   #48
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I've never understood why someone would step a foot outside this country without a passport. If you can afford to undertake such travel, you can afford a passport. They are simple to get, and as someone else said, the absolute gold standard for identification.
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:46 PM   #49
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I've never understood why someone would step a foot outside this country without a passport. If you can afford to undertake such travel, you can afford a passport. They are simple to get, and as someone else said, the absolute gold standard for identification.
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:48 PM   #50
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Maybe I didn't express myself well. You brought up a number of reasons someone should have a passport. Aside from the "traveling out of country", we don't know if those 900 passport-less passengers (say that 10 times fast) fall under the conditions.

Really, it doesn't matter whether everyone on the ship had passports or not. They STILL didn't need them for this trip.
Traveling out of the country was ONE of the reasons people were listing. Whether they met any of the other conditions I think it's a good idea to have a passport in or not, they certainly met one of them.

I just don't get it. Why is it so upsetting to you that some people think a passport is prudent to have when traveling out of the country and that I dared to list some other circumstances people would do well to have them as well?
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:26 PM   #51
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Here's the hate I saw in this thread to say nothing of other threads I've read...










OK, so the 900 on the cruise ship obviously were travelling to a foreign country, but how many live near one? Or have close family members living in one? Or have the extra money for one.

Look, I agree a passport *IS* a good thing to have, even on a closed loop cruise. But can a cruise line REQUIRE someone to have a passport even if the government (of whichever county the cruise is visiting) doesn't?
Why not? It's a business and they can require whatever they want to. It may not win them any popularity contests but so what? "No shirt, no shoes, no service" would simply be "No passport, no boarding".
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Old 02-16-2013, 10:44 PM   #52
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And from now on I will think people who take cruises are ridiculous for not taking food, water and garbage bags, just in case they need them should the next ship break down. Of course they're not required but I can't imagine someone who take a chance. Who knows what could happen.
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Why not? It's a business and they can require whatever they want to. It may not win them any popularity contests but so what? "No shirt, no shoes, no service" would simply be "No passport, no boarding".
They're in a very competitive business. While they may suggest that people have passports, it wouldn't make good business sense to require something from your customers that the competition doesn't require.
People take chances all the time-people live with their decisions. Not a big deal. Like someone else mentioned, we never buy trip insurance. We made a decision to take the chance that things will turn out in our favor. If I'm wrong, I'll pay the price for that decision. We travel often, and with what we've saved by not buying insurance over the years would probably cover most emergencies so we are now ahead of the game.
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Old 02-16-2013, 11:57 PM   #54
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They're in a very competitive business. While they may suggest that people have passports, it wouldn't make good business sense to require something from your customers that the competition doesn't require.
People take chances all the time-people live with their decisions. Not a big deal. Like someone else mentioned, we never buy trip insurance. We made a decision to take the chance that things will turn out in our favor. If I'm wrong, I'll pay the price for that decision. We travel often, and with what we've saved by not buying insurance over the years would probably cover most emergencies so we are now ahead of the game.
I didn't say it would make good business sense, nor did I say they should require them. I was responding to someone's question about whether or not the could require them.

I don't think people should be required to do much of anything. I think they should deal with any consequences of their actions and decisions; quietly and without suing anyone. I'm for less regulation, not more. I'm also for personal responsibility, which was my point earlier in this thread.
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Old 02-17-2013, 01:48 AM   #55
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Essentially, I feel that if someone chooses to take that risk, then they should be prepared to deal with whatever hassles ensue if their trip is interrupted and have no right to complain about delays or having to cover their own costs while they wait for an embassy issued passport, etc.
True enough. In the entire time I've been reading these forums though I have never seen a person complain that someone else didn't solve all their problems when they chose to cruise without a passport. I have seen many, many people get all weirdly fist-shaking angry about people choosing not to get passports. I just ... don't get it.
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The way I see it if I miss the boat due to my own error and don't have a passport then II will have to deal with that. If the boat fault that I have to fly home then they need to take care of it.
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Old 02-17-2013, 07:15 AM   #57
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They may not have needed them for the original intention of the trip, but once an emergency happens, the original trip has now ended, and a new one has begun, and that is when a passport may be needed.

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But even in this extremely rare situation, on a ship stranded in the middle of the Caribbean, passports STILL were not a necessity.

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Traveling out of the country was ONE of the reasons people were listing. Whether they met any of the other conditions I think it's a good idea to have a passport in or not, they certainly met one of them.

I just don't get it. Why is it so upsetting to you that some people think a passport is prudent to have when traveling out of the country and that I dared to list some other circumstances people would do well to have them as well?
I have agreed multiple times in this thread that a passport is a good thing to have. What is "upsetting to me" is that people are so judgemental about those who don't have a passport.

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And from now on I will think people who take cruises are ridiculous for not taking food, water and garbage bags, just in case they need them should the next ship break down. Of course they're not required but I can't imagine someone who take a chance. Who knows what could happen.
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I've never understood why someone would step a foot outside this country without a passport. If you can afford to undertake such travel, you can afford a passport. They are simple to get, and as someone else said, the absolute gold standard for identification.
I love this argument. Can we say to people going to Disney "If you can afford to undertake such travel, you can afford to stay on property?"
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I love this argument. Can we say to people going to Disney "If you can afford to undertake such travel, you can afford to stay on property?"
You could but it is not the same thing.
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I've never understood why someone would step a foot outside this country without a passport. If you can afford to undertake such travel, you can afford a passport. They are simple to get, and as someone else said, the absolute gold standard for identification.
I agree with you.
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