Disney Information Station Logo

Go Back   The DIS Discussion Forums - DISboards.com > Disney Trip Planning Forums > Theme Parks Attractions and Strategies
Find Hotel Specials & DIScounts
 
facebooktwitterpinterestgoogle plusyoutubeDIS UpdatesDIS email updates
Register Chat FAQ Tickers Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read





Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 04-20-2013, 01:33 PM   #196
SueM in MN
It's like combining the teacups with a roller coaster

 
SueM in MN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Twin Cities area,Minnesota,USA
Posts: 30,923
DISboards Moderator

Quote:
Originally Posted by chartle View Post
I know this came from a CM that should know the reason but is there anyone around here that knows what the ADA really says about this.

This reason just doesn't sound right somehow, yes its a CM but they always don't get correct info and try to fill in the gaps with something they think they heard.

I'm not saying it isn't the reason, just wondering what the limits are to the ADA.
That doesn't sound like the reason because it doesn't make sense (although, I am sure the CM did say that).
I'm on my iPhone, so it's to hard to find a link, but the 2002 guidelines were revised and went into effect March 2012. But, they still did not require EVERYTHING be accessible. Some things are just not possible to be made accessible.

The ADA doesn't require everything to be made accessible or to close if they are not accessible. The terms are 'reasonable accommodation' and something is not required to be made accessible if it changes the 'nature' of the attraction.
And, there is a 'loophole' for vehicles that the person will be controlling themself on the attraction - this includes things like bumper cars and cars (like on Tomorrowland Speedway).
In that case, all that is needed is an accessible path to get to the attraction - that was already the case since the building the tour started in was accessible.

For example, Tom Sawyer's Island, Peoplemover, Peter Pan and Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse require that a guest is ambulatory to experience the attraction.
And, there is now a wheelchair accessible Jungle Cruise boat, but the cruise stayed open while they were developing the accessible boat.
They have also recently added ADA ride cars with wider openings to many attractions. They didn't close anything while they developed them.
__________________
SueM in MN
Moderator of disABILITIES
Link to disABILITIES FAQs thread

Spaceship Earth: We are all passengers together.
Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans......John Lennon
Be a rainbow in someone else's cloud. Dr. Maya Angelou
trip report link in Memory of eternaldisneyfan, who lived these words: Some people are always grumbling because roses have thorns. I am thankful that thorns have roses. Alphonse Karr

Last edited by SueM in MN; 04-20-2013 at 01:43 PM.
SueM in MN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2013, 01:44 PM   #197
slacter
Earning My Ears
 
slacter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Georgia
Posts: 26

If this activity was included with admission, the handicap accessible thing might have merit. Since we have to pay extra for he activity, anyone who could not participate would not be spending money on it.
__________________
1998-WDW All Star Music / 2002-DVC Membership BCV / 2002-2011-Too many trips to recount! / 2011-Disney Dream / 2011-DVC Addition AKL / Feb 2013-Epcot & MK / Jun-Jul 2013 ABD Backstage Magic
slacter is offline   Reply With Quote
|
The DIS
Register to remove

Join Date: 1997
Location: Orlando, FL
Posts: 1,000,000
Old 04-20-2013, 01:52 PM   #198
chartle
DIS Veteran
 
chartle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Pgh
Posts: 14,497

Quote:
Originally Posted by SueM in MN View Post
That doesn't sound like the reason because it doesn't make sense (although, I am sure the CM did say that).
I'm on my iPhone, so it's to hard to find a link, but the 2002 guidelines were revised and went into effect March 2012. But, they still did not require EVERYTHING be accessible. Some things are just not possible to be made accessible.

The ADA doesn't require everything to be made accessible or to close if they are not accessible. The terms are 'reasonable accommodation' and something is not required to be made accessible if it changes the 'nature' of the attraction.
And, there is a 'loophole' for vehicles that the person will be controlling themself on the attraction - this includes things like bumper cars and cars (like on Tomorrowland Speedway).
In that case, all that is needed is an accessible path to get to the attraction - that was already the case since the building the tour started in was accessible.

For example, Tom Sawyer's Island, Peoplemover, Peter Pan and Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse require that a guest is ambulatory to experience the attraction.
And, there is now a wheelchair accessible Jungle Cruise boat, but the cruise stayed open while they were developing the accessible boat.
They have also recently added ADA ride cars with wider openings to many attractions. They didn't close anything while they developed them.
I knew there was something about reason in there and everything can't be made totally accessible.

Quote:
Originally Posted by andrewilley View Post
IF that is the reason, then I tend to agree with you. Segways are, by their very nature, stand-up devices which will naturally preclude some people with certain disabilities from taking part. There are some things that no amount of anti-discrimination laws can reasonably change, however much it would be wonderful if they could.

That's not to say that they couldn't run a similar Epcot/World Showcase tour for wheelchair-bound guests using ECVs for example, but it just wouldn't be a "Segway Tour".

Andre
They could just rename the tour and include ECVs. Is standing up really that important?

I thought the Segways are a neat thing but mostly used to get around quickly something that ECVs already do.
__________________
'77 FW Campsite, '99 FW Cabin, Feb '06 Off site Magical Music Days Band Trip, Aug '08 Offsite, Feb '10 Off site Magical Music Days Band Trip, May '11 Offsite, Dec '13 Offsite
ME DW DS24 DS22
chartle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2013, 03:45 PM   #199
MellinMickey4333
Earning My Ears
 
MellinMickey4333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: New England, USA
Posts: 72

As DH and I were saying last night... aren't Segways just taller ECV's? It's unfortunate when those who have disabilities have to miss out, but in this case... why not just let the other wheeled vehicles join the group? But to have to build a special Segway just for this tour? **.

And this isn't a ride... it's a tour! I once went on a Walking Tour of Europe, and the tour said it was mainly long days of walking, and we had a few in the group who couldn't keep up. If they had a Segway or an ECV, it sure would have made a difference!
__________________
~Melanie
MellinMickey4333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2013, 03:46 PM   #200
MellinMickey4333
Earning My Ears
 
MellinMickey4333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: New England, USA
Posts: 72

Quote:
Originally Posted by MellinMickey4333
As DH and I were saying last night... aren't Segways just taller ECV's? It's unfortunate when those who have disabilities have to miss out, but in this case... why not just let the other wheeled vehicles join the group? But to have to build a special Segway just for this tour? **.

And this isn't a ride... it's a tour! I once went on a Walking Tour of Europe, and the tour said it was mainly long days of walking, and we had a few in the group who couldn't keep up. If they had a Segway or an ECV, it sure would have made a difference!
I don't know where those double stars came from... ? Lol
__________________
~Melanie
MellinMickey4333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2013, 04:05 PM   #201
SueM in MN
It's like combining the teacups with a roller coaster

 
SueM in MN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Twin Cities area,Minnesota,USA
Posts: 30,923
DISboards Moderator

Quote:
Originally Posted by MellinMickey4333 View Post
As DH and I were saying last night... aren't Segways just taller ECV's? It's unfortunate when those who have disabilities have to miss out, but in this case... why not just let the other wheeled vehicles join the group? But to have to build a special Segway just for this tour? **.

And this isn't a ride... it's a tour! I once went on a Walking Tour of Europe, and the tour said it was mainly long days of walking, and we had a few in the group who couldn't keep up. If they had a Segway or an ECV, it sure would have made a difference!
No, they have only 2 wheels. ECVs has 3 or 4 wheels and will stay standing up when the rider gets off
__________________
SueM in MN
Moderator of disABILITIES
Link to disABILITIES FAQs thread

Spaceship Earth: We are all passengers together.
Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans......John Lennon
Be a rainbow in someone else's cloud. Dr. Maya Angelou
trip report link in Memory of eternaldisneyfan, who lived these words: Some people are always grumbling because roses have thorns. I am thankful that thorns have roses. Alphonse Karr
SueM in MN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2013, 07:12 PM   #202
chartle
DIS Veteran
 
chartle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Pgh
Posts: 14,497

Quote:
Originally Posted by SueM in MN View Post
No, they have only 2 wheels. ECVs has 3 or 4 wheels and will stay standing up when the rider gets off
But in this case they are being used in the same manner. An easy way to get around.
__________________
'77 FW Campsite, '99 FW Cabin, Feb '06 Off site Magical Music Days Band Trip, Aug '08 Offsite, Feb '10 Off site Magical Music Days Band Trip, May '11 Offsite, Dec '13 Offsite
ME DW DS24 DS22
chartle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-20-2013, 11:33 PM   #203
MellinMickey4333
Earning My Ears
 
MellinMickey4333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: New England, USA
Posts: 72

Quote:
Originally Posted by chartle

But in this case they are being used in the same manner. An easy way to get around.
Lol, that's what we meant. Use-wise, not parts-wise.
__________________
~Melanie
MellinMickey4333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-21-2013, 12:07 AM   #204
SueM in MN
It's like combining the teacups with a roller coaster

 
SueM in MN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Twin Cities area,Minnesota,USA
Posts: 30,923
DISboards Moderator

Quote:
Originally Posted by chartle View Post
But in this case they are being used in the same manner. An easy way to get around.
True.
But the driver needs to have some abilities to use a Segway that they don't need with an ECV.
Segways were not designed to be used by people with disabilities - some have found them useful for getting around with their specific disability, but they are not accessible for others.
__________________
SueM in MN
Moderator of disABILITIES
Link to disABILITIES FAQs thread

Spaceship Earth: We are all passengers together.
Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans......John Lennon
Be a rainbow in someone else's cloud. Dr. Maya Angelou
trip report link in Memory of eternaldisneyfan, who lived these words: Some people are always grumbling because roses have thorns. I am thankful that thorns have roses. Alphonse Karr
SueM in MN is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 05:37 AM   #205
Embraer
Mouseketeer
 
Embraer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Lancashire, England
Posts: 234

This has gone awfully quite. Are people still finding that they're being cancelled. I've got a booking for August and wonder whether it's just best to cancel and plan my day better now rather than pick up the pieces closer to the time
__________________
Embraer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 09:28 AM   #206
rlduvall
I just sit there and think "Oh, pretty colors."
Now maybe some-one will pick me first for dodgeball
 
rlduvall's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 3,621

So, are they considering it a "ride" only because it's in a themepark? I ask because the Segway Tour at Ft. Wilderness is still operating so what is the difference, other than it is obviously not in a themepark?
__________________

rlduvall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 09:41 AM   #207
chartle
DIS Veteran
 
chartle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Pgh
Posts: 14,497

Quote:
Originally Posted by rlduvall View Post
So, are they considering it a "ride" only because it's in a themepark? I ask because the Segway Tour at Ft. Wilderness is still operating so what is the difference, other than it is obviously not in a themepark?
I guess you are referring to the post above where its an ADA thing. I'm still not sure if this is accurate. Not accusing anyone of anything, but it sounds too much like a my brother in laws cousin who is a CM at POP heard this was the reason kind of thing.

The biggest bit of confusion concerning this is that there is no official reason or even a time frame from Disney.
__________________
'77 FW Campsite, '99 FW Cabin, Feb '06 Off site Magical Music Days Band Trip, Aug '08 Offsite, Feb '10 Off site Magical Music Days Band Trip, May '11 Offsite, Dec '13 Offsite
ME DW DS24 DS22
chartle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 11:00 AM   #208
rlduvall
I just sit there and think "Oh, pretty colors."
Now maybe some-one will pick me first for dodgeball
 
rlduvall's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 3,621

Quote:
Originally Posted by chartle View Post
I guess you are referring to the post above where its an ADA thing. I'm still not sure if this is accurate. Not accusing anyone of anything, but it sounds too much like a my brother in laws cousin who is a CM at POP heard this was the reason kind of thing.

The biggest bit of confusion concerning this is that there is no official reason or even a time frame from Disney.
Yes, I should have been more clear about that. And I agree with you, I'm not convinced that is the real reason.
__________________

rlduvall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 11:31 AM   #209
OhMari
WDW PreTrip and Trip Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: WI USA
Posts: 13,688
DISboards Moderator

Quote:
Originally Posted by RachelTori View Post
WOW! Great information, OhMari! This is the first time we've heard any form of an explanation -- and it makes sense too! Thanks for sharing!
I read many of the post after, and I was really afraid to say anything. I am the last person that would know any legalities for the Disabled. Thank you SueMN for looking up all that information and explaining.

They have a picture of a Segway being built for people that cannot stand. You basically sit on it and it looks sort of like a small bike, but in a Segway design. I really didn't realize I was finding information about the Segway Tour from "Behind the Scenes Tour."

If your tour gets cancelled, I really recommend this tour. It doesn't last as long as "Keys to the Kingdom" at the MK and you get no get no lunch. We took a 15 minute break in the Land Pavillion and I quickly went and got Soarin Fast passes. Our Tour guide took us to the back door for Soarin. Soarin went down, just as we were suppose to get on and our guide gave us a Free Fast Pass for up to 5 people and VIP seating in Italy for Illuminations. We used our Fast Passes for Test Track and asked 3 other people to come in with us. They were surprised.
OhMari is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-02-2013, 11:36 AM   #210
OhMari
WDW PreTrip and Trip Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: WI USA
Posts: 13,688
DISboards Moderator

Quote:
Originally Posted by rlduvall View Post
So, are they considering it a "ride" only because it's in a themepark? I ask because the Segway Tour at Ft. Wilderness is still operating so what is the difference, other than it is obviously not in a themepark?
Yep, Fort Wilderness is not a Theme Park. That is exactly how it was stated to us.
OhMari is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

facebooktwitterpinterestgoogle plusyoutubeDIS Updates
GET OUR DIS UPDATES DELIVERED BY EMAIL



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:40 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Copyright © 1997-2014, Werner Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

You Rated this Thread: