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Old 02-15-2013, 09:05 AM   #181
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Gravity might work to dump it but there are pumps to push the water up to the toilets and electric to actually open the valves to dump the system(no pun intended).

I'm really curious to find out what burned to take out at least 4 engines and there associated power distribution systems.
Yes but you think they could have those dedicated toilets for emergencies have backups so they worked. In the event of a total outage yes there might be no way to do this but if they have limited power then you could have backup generators to run the pumps. Even if you had to use water pumped in from the sea for this purpose it could be done.

I am happy that the ship is docked! This is great news and that no lives were lost. I had a baby on our last cruise who was 3 months old and this would have been a nightmare. We wouldn't have had enough formula. Hmmm gets me thinking for our next cruise we'll take some extra supplies just in case.

I wish Mobile, AL would stop pointing fingers about Carnival's decisions in this case. Yes I have trouble believing that Carnival is not looking out for their best interest but without knowing what is going on in Carnival Corps meetings who knows why they made the decisions they did. They did manage to get emergency things in place for getting people home. That is all that matters. Restitution is another matter that can be dealt with after everyone is home safe and sound.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:06 AM   #182
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Me, too. It sounds like it could have been much, much worse if the automated fire system would have failed.

Hopefully, they'll be able to fully repair everything, give the ship a deep cleaning, replace the furnishing and carpets and get the ship sailing again. That massive of a project is going to take some time.
Even with the ship cleaned and repaired I am guessing that Carnival would have a hard time getting anyone to travel on this ship. Even if it was a complete redo I would have a hard time booking my family on the ship based on what it has been through.

I wonder if they'll sell it to someone else?
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:11 AM   #183
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We welcomed about 2000 passengers into our city about 2am and some are flying out this morning. Good luck to them all.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:22 AM   #184
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Yes but you think they could have those dedicated toilets for emergencies have backups so they worked. In the event of a total outage yes there might be no way to do this but if they have limited power then you could have backup generators to run the pumps. Even if you had to use water pumped in from the sea for this purpose it could be done.

I am happy that the ship is docked! This is great news and that no lives were lost. I had a baby on our last cruise who was 3 months old and this would have been a nightmare. We wouldn't have had enough formula. Hmmm gets me thinking for our next cruise we'll take some extra supplies just in case.

I wish Mobile, AL would stop pointing fingers about Carnival's decisions in this case. Yes I have trouble believing that Carnival is not looking out for their best interest but without knowing what is going on in Carnival Corps meetings who knows why they made the decisions they did. They did manage to get emergency things in place for getting people home. That is all that matters. Restitution is another matter that can be dealt with after everyone is home safe and sound.
Sory, I have to comment on this since a friend of my is the risk manager for the port of Mobile. It is a fact that both Delta and American Airlines offered to charter 747s from Brookley Field in Mobile - MINUTES AWAY FROM THE TERMINAL. The comfort and convenience of these passengers was not the first priority of Carnival. Carnival also rejected the offers of local businesses to hand out water to families waiting and local restaurants to provide meals to local families waiting at the terminal. They also would not allow any local hospital staff to triage any passengers coming off the ship that were ill and wanted to be checked out when they got off the ship. There were plenty of hotel rooms, most within walking distance of the cruise terminal.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:25 AM   #185
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Even with the ship cleaned and repaired I am guessing that Carnival would have a hard time getting anyone to travel on this ship. Even if it was a complete redo I would have a hard time booking my family on the ship based on what it has been through.

I wonder if they'll sell it to someone else?


That's a good point. I read recently the Costa Cordia was scrapped which suprised me. I would think this ship probably should be sold or at least renamed. But losing the ship is not going to be as bad as the class action lawsuits that will follow. I heard this moring on the news that every passenger on the Costa Cordia got $45k. Figure 3,000 x $45k = $135 million. Granted, no one died in this incident and so they won't get that much....but they will get more than a free cruise out of this.
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Sory, I have to comment on this since a friend of my is the risk manager for the port of Mobile. It is a fact that both Delta and American Airlines offered to charter 747s from Brookley Field in Mobile - MINUTES AWAY FROM THE TERMINAL. The comfort and convenience of these passengers was not the first priority of Carnival. Carnival also rejected the offers of local businesses to hand out water to families waiting and local restaurants to provide meals to local families waiting at the terminal. They also would not allow any local hospital staff to triage any passengers coming off the ship that were ill and wanted to be checked out when they got off the ship. There were plenty of hotel rooms, most within walking distance of the cruise terminal.
Sorry I didn't mean to upset anyone. I am just stating that until someone knows all the reasons for the decisions being made. Maybe they weren't the correct decisions. I make a lot of decisions that might not seem like they are that great from people casually looking at the situation but from the standpoint of the people involved and myself they make sense. I'll be interested to see if people feel these decisions were wrong or not who were actually involved in the crisis. Not the news or 3rd parties that wanted to be involved but were not allowed to be.

I do appreciate you have a friend in risk management in Mobile. I hadn't heard that info before so thanks.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:32 AM   #187
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That's a good point. I read recently the Costa Cordia was scrapped which suprised me. I would think this ship probably should be sold or at least renamed. But losing the ship is not going to be as bad as the class action lawsuits that will follow. I heard this moring on the news that every passenger on the Costa Cordia got $45k. Figure 3,000 x $45k = $135 million. Granted, no one died in this incident and so they won't get that much....but they will get more than a free cruise out of this.
The reason the Concordia was scrapped was that the removal and repair costs would have been greater then a new build. The ship was only a few years old if I remember correctly and cost about 500 million to build. The removal cost alone is in that neighborhood. I think. Not counting the repairs.
repair costs on the Splendor by comparison were about 40 million.
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Old 02-15-2013, 09:35 AM   #188
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Sory, I have to comment on this since a friend of my is the risk manager for the port of Mobile. It is a fact that both Delta and American Airlines offered to charter 747s from Brookley Field in Mobile - MINUTES AWAY FROM THE TERMINAL. The comfort and convenience of these passengers was not the first priority of Carnival. Carnival also rejected the offers of local businesses to hand out water to families waiting and local restaurants to provide meals to local families waiting at the terminal. They also would not allow any local hospital staff to triage any passengers coming off the ship that were ill and wanted to be checked out when they got off the ship. There were plenty of hotel rooms, most within walking distance of the cruise terminal.


That is too bad about the charter flights. I wonder if one's trip insurance would cover the airfare if you flew on your own?
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Even with the ship cleaned and repaired I am guessing that Carnival would have a hard time getting anyone to travel on this ship. Even if it was a complete redo I would have a hard time booking my family on the ship based on what it has been through.

I wonder if they'll sell it to someone else?
Assuming the cost to refurbish is better than scrapping the ship, it could be re-branded and swapped with another Carnival owned cruise line, like Princess.

I am currently booked for a sailing on the Triumph in September.
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That is too bad about the charter flights. I wonder if one's trip insurance would cover the airfare if you flew on your own?
I am not sure about covering the airfare but there is a quote in the local paper from a man that had his 83 year old mother on the ship. She didn't want to get on a bus. She wanted to stay in a local hotel to get a shower and sleep. At first he was told he wouldn't be reimbursed for costs unless she boarded a bus but then Carnival did change this and agree to pay. I don't mean to sound inflammatory. I am just trying to pass on facts that I have read about.
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Sory, I have to comment on this since a friend of my is the risk manager for the port of Mobile. It is a fact that both Delta and American Airlines offered to charter 747s from Brookley Field in Mobile - MINUTES AWAY FROM THE TERMINAL. The comfort and convenience of these passengers was not the first priority of Carnival. Carnival also rejected the offers of local businesses to hand out water to families waiting and local restaurants to provide meals to local families waiting at the terminal. They also would not allow any local hospital staff to triage any passengers coming off the ship that were ill and wanted to be checked out when they got off the ship. There were plenty of hotel rooms, most within walking distance of the cruise terminal.
Carnival has arranged charter flights out of Mobile for passengers and they are bussing some back to Galveston (if their cars are there and that's where they want to go). That is all over the news; who cares if Delta or American got any business out of it? I question the validity of the rest of this as well. Carnival can't refuse to allow passengers to be checked by medical personnel, they don't own the terminal or the port.
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Assuming the cost to refurbish is better than scrapping the ship, it could be re-branded and swapped with another Carnival owned cruise line, like Princess.

I am currently booked for a sailing on the Triumph in September.
Have you received anything from Carnival about that cruise? Even if they go the refurb route, I would doubt it would be ready to sail in Sept?
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Assuming the cost to refurbish is better than scrapping the ship, it could be re-branded and swapped with another Carnival owned cruise line, like Princess.

I am currently booked for a sailing on the Triumph in September.
I heard this morning that they are moving the ship across the river in Mobile to be fixed by BEA ships. I would think Carnival would have to change the name and hide the identity of it to get anybody else on the ship!
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Even with the ship cleaned and repaired I am guessing that Carnival would have a hard time getting anyone to travel on this ship. Even if it was a complete redo I would have a hard time booking my family on the ship based on what it has been through.

I wonder if they'll sell it to someone else?
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The reason the Concordia was scrapped was that the removal and repair costs would have been greater then a new build. The ship was only a few years old if I remember correctly and cost about 500 million to build. The removal cost alone is in that neighborhood. I think. Not counting the repairs.
repair costs on the Splendor by comparison were about 40 million.

I cruised on the Splendor after they had their fire and the ship was repaired, and never gave it a second thought. In fact, I felt a lot safer knowing that it had had a complete overhaul.
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I cruised on the Splendor after they had their fire and the ship was repaired, and never gave it a second thought. In fact, I felt a lot safer knowing that it had had a complete overhaul.
I probably would second guess a fire that was repaired but might make the booking. When you include sewage and all the other good stuff related to that and then the worry that something wasn't completely replaced but was just cleaned I definitely wouldn't be booking that cruise. Plus to me this has way more BAD press than the Splendor did.

I also have young children that put their mouths on everything etc... I know there is probably the same likelihood that they would pick up something on a ship that hadn't gone through this but that is just me. I am sure I am not alone and if that ship was sailing again I am guessing with all the bad press there is enough people like me that wouldn't book that particular ship.
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