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Old 04-04-2013, 08:35 AM   #1
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Is a PINK locker room sexist and homophobic?

The University of Iowa has a famous pink locker room for the visiting football team. This was painted in the 1980's, when then-head football coach, Hayden Fry, read that pink was a "calming" color.



Now, it seems two attorneys are claiming that by continuing this, the University is "exposing itself to discrimination claims".

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ALTOONA, Iowa | The University of Iowa is leaving itself exposed to discrimination claims by continuing to have a pink visitors locker room at Kinnick Stadium that jokingly conveys a “sexist and homophobic” message, two attorneys told LGBTQ conference participants Wednesday.

LGBTQ stands for lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and questioning.

Jill Gaulding, co-founder of Minnesota-based Gender Justice and a former UI tenure-tracked faculty member, said the Kinnick locker room first painted pink in the 1980s during Hayden Fry’s run as Hawkeye football coach and later redone in 2005 is one of a growing number of sports-related traditions that use “pink shaming” and “cognitive bias” to deride opponents and try to “get in their heads.”

During a workshop at the Iowa Governors Conference on LGBTQ Youth that drew about 800 participants, Gaulding said a hockey club in Duluth, Minn., a minor league baseball team in South Bend, Ind., and now the Bondurant-Farrar High School -- using money donated by a family that won a Powerball jackpot – have followed the UI lead using the pink locker room theme.

“Most people understand the pink locker room as a taunt against the other team, calling them a bunch of ladies/girls/sissies/pansies/etc.,” according to an information sheet Gaulding and Gender Justice law partner Lisa Stratton distributed to the workshop participants.

Gaulding’s handout quoted a passage from Fry’s autobiography, in which he said pink was a “passive” color and might put opponents in a passive mood. “Also, pink is often found in girls’ bedrooms, and because of that some consider it a sissy color,” according to a quote Gaulding said she took from Fry’s book.

Gaulding said it’s problematic when the message is conveyed by a public university in an education setting that receives federal funding and is covered by Title IX and Title VII rules that prohibit civil rights discrimination based on gender.

“I do believe it creates legal liability -- not necessarily about financial liability. To me, that’s never been what this is about,” she said. “But they could be exposed to a declaratory judgment action where someone would just seek to settle the question legally and have a judge decide once and for all, is this OK or not.”

UI spokesman Tom Moore did not agree with the Gender Justice attorneys’ analysis.

“While the Office of Civil Rights within the U.S. Department of Education determines compliance with Title IX, we believe we are compliant,” Moore said. “The color was chosen because of the belief that it would have a relaxing and calming effect on the visiting team.”

To her knowledge, Gaulding said, there’s never been a legal challenge brought regarding locker rooms for male athletes that are painted pink, but she said a federal court in Arizona ruled that a “shaming practices” of having male prisoners wear pink underwear was deemed a form of punishment that lacked legal justification.

“I think every institution that is using pink or gender as a shaming joke reinforces that idea across the entire culture, and that is why it is so harmful,” Gaulding said. “It’s not OK for them to put up a banner that says it’s bad to be a girl. It’s not OK for them to build a pink locker room that conveys that same idea.”

What do you think? Is a pink room homophobic and sexist?
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:39 AM   #2
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I think people need to get a life.
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Huh, that doesn't look pink to me.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:45 AM   #4
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Huh, that doesn't look pink to me.
Here's a few more pictures, and an old You Tube clip:





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-g5lx3-mVI

Now, I will admit, the locker room is UGLY (especially the urinals! ), but sexist?

Give me a break . . .
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:52 AM   #5
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:55 AM   #6
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Totally depends.

Was the goal really to make the opposing team feel calm and centered before the game? Or was the goal to demean the opposing team by making them feel like "girls"? Because the latter is pretty insulting to actual girls.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:58 AM   #7
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Geez, I agree with the poster who said people need to get a life.

It's a football locker room for the opposing team. It's not homophobic (I hate that word since it's never used correctly-phobia is fear), nor is it sexist. IT'S A LOCKER ROOM

The goal is to win football games.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:05 AM   #8
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They painted it pink, and went to the trouble to find pink urinals, because they thought it would help win football games? How did they think it would help?
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I think that if changing in a pink room makes a guy feel demeaned, then he has bigger problems.

What if it was painted blue or green? Couldn't they come up with a reason that those colors are demeaning?

If they don't like the decor of the visitor locker room, can't they choose to not go?
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They painted it pink, and went to the trouble to find pink urinals, because they thought it would help win football games? How did they think it would help?
As I said in the first post, pink has been shown to be a "calming" color.

It is used for psych patients who have violent, explosive behaviors.

It alters mood. It has nothing to do with making anyone feel like girls.
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As I said in the first post, pink has been shown to be a "calming" color.

It is used for psych patients who have violent, explosive behaviors.

It alters mood. It has nothing to do with making anyone feel like girls.
It appears from what you posted that UI's spokesman is now saying the color was chosen because it was calming, but the coach who originally made the decision wrote that he did so because pink is for "sissies".
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I agree.... people need to get a life.

A color does not make anything sexist or homophobic. If someone walks in there and feels that way, then the issue is with the person.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:17 AM   #13
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As I said in the first post, pink has been shown to be a "calming" color.

It is used for psych patients who have violent, explosive behaviors.

It alters mood. It has nothing to do with making anyone feel like girls.
If you believe the coach picked pink for the OPPOSING team's locker room to make them feel centered and calm before a game then I have some oceanfront property in Kansas I'd like to sell you

That being said I think this lawsuit is completely frivolous. Obviously the locker room was made pink to imply the other team was "less manly." See Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his making prisoners wear pink underwear and shoes as another example of pink being used for emasculation. Sure it sucks that being told "You throw like a girl" or other sayings are such common epithets in sports, but I really think making an issue out of the color of a locker room is absurd and distracts from the bigger incidences of sexism that actually do affect people in the sports world.
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Here is a good article about the pink locker room.

http://collegefootball.about.com/od/...d-iowapink.htm

Quote from Hayden Fry:

As Fry wrote in his book, “A High Porch Picnic”: “When I talk to an opposing coach before a game and he mentions the pink walls, I know I've got him. I can't recall a coach who has stirred up a fuss about the color and then beat us."

As a long time Hawkeye fan, I have always loved reading what opposing teams thought about the pink. I think if someone is looking for something to be offended by, they will find something.

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