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Old 01-31-2013, 06:32 AM   #31
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The fact is we've been doing basically the same show for 6 1/2 years and it's time for it to (hopefully) get better. Some things will work, some things won't. With honest feedback and continued good will from our listeners, we'll make it everything it has, should and can be.
This is an important point I hasn't considered. It gets old doing the same thing for so long. I'm sure you need a new creative outlet. You have always been able to strike a balance between old and new, so I trust that you'll do the same in this case.

I do have a question. I think I remember hearing that you can only fit so many people at the table with the equipment now. Is that always going to be the case? I personally think this might be part of chemistry issue. If part of the team isn't there, the conversation isn't as rich. I miss hearing the whole perspective.
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:12 AM   #32
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I love the podcast, and I trust in the team and their direction.

I will say that my family are not seasoned veterans, and on the "older" version I was starting to get frustrated feeling like it was a club of kids that knew things I could only hope to get bits of. I've really enjoyed some of the new segments such as the one on the dining plans. My family was in the process of deciding DDP or no, and the podcast truly helped that decision. I like that they were separate downloads so if you didn't want the subject you didn't have to listen to it (I know that change was made months ago, but it's a good one ).

Keep up the good work. I look forward to more fun, stories, and tips!
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Old 01-31-2013, 07:35 AM   #33
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There is no acceptable percentage or amount of time or number of pages that is clearly fair use. The only people who can determine whether or not something is fair use are the copyright owner (who decides whether or not to pursue an infringement claim) or the judge presiding over the infringement case. Here's a link to the rules about fair use: http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107.
True, and said much more succinctly than I. I said rule, but should have put it in quotes as "rule," because it's a really a guideline ... I just wanted to try and reference what Pete had probably heard and emphasize that even then it's 10% OR 30 seconds, whichever is shorter, not either.

But the above is true, any copyright holder can deny use at any time, for any reason. And the law, as it's currently interpreted, is always on the rights holders' side.
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Old 01-31-2013, 01:25 PM   #34
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I do have a question. I think I remember hearing that you can only fit so many people at the table with the equipment now. Is that always going to be the case? I personally think this might be part of chemistry issue. If part of the team isn't there, the conversation isn't as rich. I miss hearing the whole perspective.
I'm going to take the opportunity here to answer a few comments on this thread.

The table is set up to hold five people. Before the video equipment, the max we would have at the table was 6. There is no way to have 8 people at the table under any circumstances, and even if I could, I wouldn't - it's impossible to manage. Even with five people, the number of times we have everyone talking at the same time drives me nuts.

John, Kevin and I are usually always at the table, Corey and Julie alternate out because they don't have a sitter for the kids and one of them has to stay home, and Teresa and Kathy come in when they have segments. Dustin now has a permanent seat behind the equipment along with Shaun and Craig Williams (it requires a minimum of two people now to run the equipment, and you'll see why when we launch the video segment).

The shuffling of people at the table was driven by a few considerations. First, we're all really busy and have multiple things on our plates beyond the show. Just with John, Kevin and I and our travel schedules it got really difficult last year. Getting everyone to be able to coordinate being here on the same day, every week was tough - let alone the fact that a recording day can run as long as 5 hours depending on what's being covered that week. Also, I wanted to be able to change things up from time to time - offer some fresh perspectives from listeners (the correspondants) who will be increasingly included in the coming months. Having others available to be on the show helps with one of the major issues we have - consistency. This is 100% my fault, but shows NEED to go up EVERY WEEK at the same time. Especially committing to the live format, we have to be able to do that and that means I have to have people that can stand in when others can't. Of course there will be exceptions - I won't run the equipment when we're in the middle of a massive storm for example, but generally speaking I have to make consistency, authenticity and creativity the mantra for the show moving forward. Everything we've been doing over the last few months has been with that in mind.

Yes - blending in new things while keeping a firm commitment to the elements of the show that have served us so well is daunting for me right now. Feedback like this thread helps with that more than I can say. I understand why some people are reticent to offer constructive criticism but it doesn't serve the show well. I'm not perfect and neither is any one sitting at the table. We'll try new things - if we get feedback telling us what people liked and didn't we can adjust. When everyone just tells us how wonderful we are, we start to believe it and then things get ugly. I've been down that road before Don't get me wrong - keep telling me I'm wonderful by all means, but also tell me what it is you don't like. All of us have a very real and very genuine affection for our listeners. You guys have changed our lives in more ways that we can ever tell you. We all want the show to be good and to get better because every one of us wants to give that to you. I wish you could hear the conversations that go on when we discuss new ideas for the show. The only consideration is 'do you think they'll like this'. Except now that we're going to video, the other consideration is "does this shirt make me look fat".

As far as the advertising goes - someone said they thought it was foolish that I wasn't doing it all along. Yes, we did blend the advertising/content line with the ABD trips and the Podcast cruises - no question, but we remain very transparent about that. What I didn't want to do was 'straight up' advertising on the show. My feeling was that I did just fine with the advertising on the boards and the DIS and there was no need to do it on the show. Now, with the costs associated with the live stream and video production I have no choice. The ads will never be part of the body of the show, they will always be at the top and I will keep them as inoffensive as I can. Also, there is no plan at all to bring on additional sponsors - it's just Dreams and unless someone backs up a Brinks truck to my front door, it will stay that way.

I will also let everyone know that the non-show drop ins I've been playing are being banished forever. No one seems to like them but me, so we'll stick to the occasional drop in from previous shows.

As for the show becoming 'too polished' - I can't begin to say how much I appreciated that comment. That's been a challenge for me as we gear up for the live show. Dustin and I had a LONG talk about that last night - about the need to keep it on the 'amateur' side while still trying to put on a quality production every week. Again, that can be a tough needle to thread - you want to take it to the next level, but what does the next level look like? Do you aim for more professionalism, or does that take away too much from what the show is - a group of Disney fans sitting around a table talking about what Disney fans talk about. How do we make sure we develop content strictly for our 'listener only' audience, while making the video version 'watchable'? How do we add new elements that enhance the show for everyone regardless of how they consume it? I know we can't keep everyone happy all the time, but that doesn't mean we won't try

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Old 01-31-2013, 01:57 PM   #35
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Yes - blending in new things while keeping a firm commitment to the elements of the show that have served us so well is daunting for me right now. Feedback like this thread helps with that more than I can say. I understand why some people are reticent to offer constructive criticism but it doesn't serve the show well. I'm not perfect and neither is any one sitting at the table. We'll try new things - if we get feedback telling us what people liked and didn't we can adjust. When everyone just tells us how wonderful we are, we start to believe it and then things get ugly. I've been down that road before Don't get me wrong - keep telling me I'm wonderful by all means, but also tell me what it is you don't like. All of us have a very real and very genuine affection for our listeners. You guys have changed our lives in more ways that we can ever tell you. We all want the show to be good and to get better because every one of us wants to give that to you. I wish you could hear the conversations that go on when we discuss new ideas for the show. The only consideration is 'do you think they'll like this'. Except now that we're going to video, the other consideration is "does this shirt make me look fat".


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Old 01-31-2013, 02:37 PM   #36
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Pete - what an awesome "behind the scenes" post. I really appreciate reading about what you are trying to do and where you hope to go with the show. It's great (and smart) to invite constructive criticism too. I know more than a few businesses that closed because instead of people telling them what they didn't like they just stopped going there.

One of my favorite things about the show is the group chemistry. After Bob died, I was really worried about what would happen with it, but in my opinion the new members that have joined the team have been great and fit in really well. I love that the show isn't too "slick" and I hope it stays that way. I appreciate that you listened and the "non-show" clips are going away. Some of them were almost jarring and took something away from enjoying the show.

One thing I really miss is spontaneous discussion. It's still there for sure, but I loved the Forum Watch Discussion shows. Most threads picked were great starting points for some really thought provoking team discussions.
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I vote that you leave (or add) any sound clip from Mommy Dearest in the prizematron/sound thingy. I'm not sure if wire hangers work into a Disney conversation, but ... it's just a thought
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Old 01-31-2013, 06:02 PM   #38
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Appreciate the insight, Pete. I DID have comments, but your last post addressed them all.
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As for the show becoming 'too polished' - I can't begin to say how much I appreciated that comment. That's been a challenge for me as we gear up for the live show. Dustin and I had a LONG talk about that last night - about the need to keep it on the 'amateur' side while still trying to put on a quality production every week. Again, that can be a tough needle to thread - you want to take it to the next level, but what does the next level look like? Do you aim for more professionalism, or does that take away too much from what the show is - a group of Disney fans sitting around a table talking about what Disney fans talk about. How do we make sure we develop content strictly for our 'listener only' audience, while making the video version 'watchable'? How do we add new elements that enhance the show for everyone regardless of how they consume it? I know we can't keep everyone happy all the time, but that doesn't mean we won't try

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Heh. Just take a look at this thread for ideas.
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As for the show becoming 'too polished' - I can't begin to say how much I appreciated that comment. That's been a challenge for me as we gear up for the live show. Dustin and I had a LONG talk about that last night - about the need to keep it on the 'amateur' side while still trying to put on a quality production every week. Again, that can be a tough needle to thread - you want to take it to the next level, but what does the next level look like? Do you aim for more professionalism, or does that take away too much from what the show is - a group of Disney fans sitting around a table talking about what Disney fans talk about. How do we make sure we develop content strictly for our 'listener only' audience, while making the video version 'watchable'? How do we add new elements that enhance the show for everyone regardless of how they consume it? I know we can't keep everyone happy all the time, but that doesn't mean we won't try

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I love the idea of using the newest technology and equipment for the live show and the show in general going forward, I am kinda a "tech geek" as my kids like to call me. I love to see you guys push the envelope and try new things and create new content. My only comment would be for everyone to just continue to be yourselves and not create new "professional podcaster personas" just for the show. I enjoy the show for all the off the cuff and inappropriate comments! The stuff about Dustin's head had me laughing out loud in the car this morning.

I'm sure you guys will find the right balance, enjoy the challenge going forward!
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:51 PM   #41
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Thanks for bringing this up!!!!

Pete for god sake stop it with trying to fix the intro. IF ITS NOT BROKE DON'T FIX IT!!!!

stop it with the sound effects, and seriously WE ALL KNOW ABOUT DREAMS UNLIMITED TRAVEL!!!!

you kind of turned housekeeping into a commercial already with all the dreams only vacations that have to be booked through dreams.

But other than that, i used to love the show. i just listen now hoping to hear it the way it used to be but the truth is it probably never will.
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Thank you very much for the post, Pete. I really appreciate you being open to constructive criticism about the show and your comments will help listeners not be apprehensive about voicing their opinions here.

I too miss the old intro, I always recognized the advertising in the show but now it's just more straight forward. I did not like the sound clips but in this most recent show it did make more sense that the others at the table could hear them.

I'm looking forward to seeing the live podcast! With my current schedule I will still be relying mostly on the audio version, but it sounds very techie and exciting!
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I really enjoyed this week's show, and I like how you've brought on special guests recently like the privacy expert and the police officer to talk about those issues.

I do miss members of the team when they are missing, but I think that allows for more segments from lots of different persepctives, which I like, and I get that the logistics of having so many people there would be a nightmare. Perhaps one or two podcasts a year where the entire group is there?

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The sound effects didn't do anything for me either..

It was sort of like having an inside joke going on.. but I'm not in on it...

I know it's in it's birthing stage... I'm sure changes will come.
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Thanks for the update, Pete. I often listen to the old podcasts (06-07) and they're so different- not good different or bad different, just different. It's amazing to me how you all have grown, evolved, and become even more professional over time. I appreciate your transparency about advertisements, comped trips, and giveaways. Your level of ethics is second to none.

Anyways, I don't frequent this board, but I really appreciated the comments you made on this week's podcast. It's always a plus when the guest knows their voice is being heard, because many companies plug their ears and cut costs by cheapening their product. Yours is just as strong as it was back in 2006, if not stronger. (But I still miss Bob!)
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