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Old 01-28-2013, 07:37 AM   #226
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No, I know her. I would not guess that your kid has a fear of white rabbits and not wear one either.

I don't want to have to think of every possible negative situation every time I get dressed. People, wear tshirts for fun. Just because I don't like it or agree with it or understand it, it is up to me to deal with my feelings and opinions not up to you to change your clothes and bow to my insecurities.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:53 AM   #227
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If I wore a shirt that says, "Bring back Snow White's Scary Adventures", would people worry that I was saying that the plane was going to go on a scary adventure? If I wore a shirt for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, would people think that I was threatening them? The terrorists want us to live in fear and it certainly looks like their mission is accomplished.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:59 AM   #228
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You'd best run...the nerds are going to take over!
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:03 AM   #229
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Weapons, oh no!! Oh wait the New Zealander would have recognized them and not been frightened...
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:27 AM   #230
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I have an honest question for people who are anxious about flying.

If you found this shirt anxiety provoking, would that anxiety diminish when the wearer took it off? If so, how would that work? Would you think "See, that's proof that he wasn't a terrorist afterall, because terrorists don't take off their shirts when you ask nicely". Or would you think "Gee, that flight attendant was persuasive, I bet she can convince him to forgo violence too". Or is it simply that looking at something that references death is scary, and once it's out of sight you can put it out of mind?

If taking off the shirt would make a difference for you in the moment, does the logic still make sense when you reflect on it later? Or does it seem irrational in retrospect?

I love the shirt, but now that I know that it would make people uncomfortable on a plane I'd probably not wear it there. I'm a nice person, I don't want to make people uncomfortable. But if I made the mistake of wearing it, I don't understand how taking it off would fix anything once it has already been seen.
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:29 AM   #231
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I have an honest question for people who are anxious about flying.

If you found this shirt anxiety provoking, would that anxiety diminish when the wearer took it off? If so, how would that work? Would you think "See, that's proof that he wasn't a terrorist afterall, because terrorists don't take off their shirts when you ask nicely". Or would you think "Gee, that flight attendant was persuasive, I bet she can convince him to forgo violence too". Or is it simply that looking at something that references death is scary, and once it's out of sight you can put it out of mind?

If taking off the shirt would make a difference for you in the moment, does the logic still make sense when you reflect on it later? Or does it seem irrational in retrospect?

I love the shirt, but now that I know that it would make people uncomfortable on a plane I'd probably not wear it there. I'm a nice person, I don't want to make people uncomfortable. But if I made the mistake of wearing it, I don't understand how taking it off would fix anything once it has already been seen.
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Do we know the passenger who "complained" about the shirt asked for the shirt to be removed? Or did the FA take it upon herself to ask the wearer to change so as not to possibly upset someone else?
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Old 01-28-2013, 08:35 AM   #233
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Do we know the passenger who "complained" about the shirt asked for the shirt to be removed? Or did the FA take it upon herself to ask the wearer to change so as not to possibly upset someone else?
No clue. Wonder if he wanted the person removed from the plane? I gather it didn't bother him enough to get off the plane himself.
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I love the shirt, but now that I know that it would make people uncomfortable on a plane I'd probably not wear it there. I'm a nice person, I don't want to make people uncomfortable. But if I made the mistake of wearing it, I don't understand how taking it off would fix anything once it has already been seen.
I'm not a nervous flyer, but I think that complying with the request to remove/change the t-shirt would have been an acknowledgement that he made a mistake that made someone uncomfortable. Nice people (like you) would make an effort to smooth things over once they knew they upset someone. Instead, he thumbed his nose at them. For me, the issue is not that he wore the t-shirt or that people were offended by it. The issue for me was his reaction to the request.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:09 AM   #235
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If I wore a shirt that says, "Bring back Snow White's Scary Adventures", would people worry that I was saying that the plane was going to go on a scary adventure? If I wore a shirt for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, would people think that I was threatening them? The terrorists want us to live in fear and it certainly looks like their mission is accomplished.
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I'm not a nervous flyer, but I think that complying with the request to remove/change the t-shirt would have been an acknowledgement that he made a mistake that made someone uncomfortable. Nice people (like you) would make an effort to smooth things over once they knew they upset someone. Instead, he thumbed his nose at them. For me, the issue is not that he wore the t-shirt or that people were offended by it. The issue for me was his reaction to the request.
His reaction was to explain that he didn't have another shirt and to ask if the pilot had one to share. If he didn't have a spare shirt what should he have done?
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:16 AM   #237
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I'm not a nervous flyer, but I think that complying with the request to remove/change the t-shirt would have been an acknowledgement that he made a mistake that made someone uncomfortable. Nice people (like you) would make an effort to smooth things over once they knew they upset someone. Instead, he thumbed his nose at them. For me, the issue is not that he wore the t-shirt or that people were offended by it. The issue for me was his reaction to the request.
I didn't get that from the article at all. He didn't have another shirt and asked to borrow one from the pilot. To me, it sounds like he would have complied but didn't get the chance since he can't sit there with no shirt and he wasn't given another one to wear.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:20 AM   #238
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His reaction was to explain that he didn't have another shirt and to ask if the pilot had one to share. If he didn't have a spare shirt what should he have done?
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I didn't get that from the article at all. He didn't have another shirt and asked to borrow one from the pilot. To me, it sounds like he would have complied but didn't get the chance since he can't sit there with no shirt and he wasn't given another one to wear.
Really? You don't think that asking to borrow a shirt from the pilot was snarky?
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Really? You don't think that asking to borrow a shirt from the pilot was snarky?
No, who else would he borrow a shirt from? The airline asked him to change his shirt, the airline should provide a different shirt.
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Old 01-28-2013, 09:27 AM   #240
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I'm not a nervous flyer, but I think that complying with the request to remove/change the t-shirt would have been an acknowledgement that he made a mistake that made someone uncomfortable. Nice people (like you) would make an effort to smooth things over once they knew they upset someone. Instead, he thumbed his nose at them. For me, the issue is not that he wore the t-shirt or that people were offended by it. The issue for me was his reaction to the request.
It is just who one wants to relate to. You chose the person complaining. I choose the one being picked upon. The worrier wasn't concerned about the wearer's feelings. They had no problem jumping to the worst possible conclusion about a complete stranger.
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