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Old 01-27-2013, 11:49 PM   #211
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:14 AM   #212
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There are many non native English speakers in Australia and New Zealand whose language skills could well translate "prepare to die" but not the rest and who, like most non North Americans would have no clue about the film being referenced.

Anyway, what I think and what you think is totally irrelevant, the person on the plane was disturbed by what they saw and spoke to a flight attendant about it.

All of you so wonderfully immersed in this "iconic" piece of your "pop culture" are the ones making a mountain out of a molehill. You know the film inside out whilst others have never heard of it.

No big deal, try and get over it without being so defensive.

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I'm not defensive of anything. I don't give a rat's heinie if someone has seen or likes the movie.

I am offended by the fact that the fools in the world apparently can cause all kinds of issues for other people and that is becoming the norm.

As dad as the whole English language issue, if you can read the tiny half cursive script on a person's shirt then you are literate enough to be able to see it is a mass marketed printed shirt and understand that just because you don't get it doesn't mean it is a problem.
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We were talking about this last night at a BBQ at home. Of the 20 or so Australian's at the table, not one of us had ever heard of this movie. So its not inconcievable to think that other Australian's had not either.
I've just googled the movie to find out what it was about. It was released in 1987 and said that it made 30.8million at the box office (considered a flop), predominantly in the US and Canada. It wasn't until it made it to video that it became popular, again in the US and Canada. I would expect that there were many on that plane, probably the majority, that didn't know of its existance.
I'm Australian too and I have a few friends that know this movie and quote it.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:50 AM   #214
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I am offended by the fact that the fools in the world apparently can cause all kinds of issues for other people and that is becoming the norm.
First, "all kinds of issues"? Really? The guy was asked if he could change his shirt. I don't really think this incident is going to scar him for life or anything.

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As dad as the whole English language issue, if you can read the tiny half cursive script on a person's shirt then you are literate enough to be able to see it is a mass marketed printed shirt and understand that just because you don't get it doesn't mean it is a problem.
"Tiny, half cursive"? My guess is someone walked by the guy while boarding the plane, didn't read the entire shirt, and simply saw "prepare to die". Who knows what they actually said to the FA. Let's not make this out like someone had minutes to read the entire phrase and realize it was a mass produced shirt, much less recognize the movie quote. My guess is we're spending more time discussing it here than the situation actually affected the wearer.

And really? The "most often quoted movie"? I didn't recognize the quote. I haven't recognized any quotes people have posted on this thread. And there are plenty of movies I haven't seen where I recognize quotes from... "Make him an offer he can't refuse" comes to mind pretty quick. And there's not one Princess Bride reference on AFI's Top 100 movie quotes...
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Lol, yeah, all kinds of issues. The last thing I want to do when I am heading off on a plane trip is to have to change clothes in the airplane restroom and deal with the absurdity of a foolish request. Because absurdity irritates the crap out of me.

As far as the time to assimilate the phrase. Really? You can't read something and think two seconds before you go whining to the teacher...I mean flight attendant? Obviously other people had seen the shirt and not panicked.
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Lol, yeah, all kinds of issues. The last thing I want to do when I am heading off on a plane trip is to have to change clothes in the airplane restroom and deal with the absurdity of a foolish request. Because absurdity irritates the crap out of me.
Did he change his shirt? I thought he didn't. So yes, I don't think this really was as big a deal as some are making it out to be.

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As far as the time to assimilate the phrase. Really? You can't read something and think two seconds before you go whining to the teacher...I mean flight attendant? Obviously other people had seen the shirt and not panicked.
So someone reads a phrase on a shirt that says "prepare to die" while boarding or on an airplane. What should they think? I don't know how it is in Australia, but I know in some US airports, I've heard announcements "if you see unclaimed bags, let security know" (or something like that). I guess everyone could simply think "obviously other people have seen that bag sitting there".

Do I think he should have been made to take the shirt off/turn it inside out? No. Do I fault the passenger who complained or the FA for finding out what's going on with the shirt? No. The guy should have just said "Oh, it's a quote from a movie." I don't think it was a good choice to wear when flying.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:36 AM   #217
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But there is the common sense issue that bugs me (obviously!). Take the baggage example. You see a bag, you see someone walking away and you think for a few seconds, asking yourself some basics. You watch them walk over, throwaway trash and walk back. You don't just take a 2 second swatch and act IMO.

I wouldn't have thought twice if one of my kids grabbed the shirt for a flight. Because common sense should reign. I would have explained and my dear husband would have argued. .
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I'm not defensive of anything. I don't give a rat's heinie if someone has seen or likes the movie.

I am offended by the fact that the fools in the world apparently can cause all kinds of issues for other people and that is becoming the norm.

As dad as the whole English language issue, if you can read the tiny half cursive script on a person's shirt then you are literate enough to be able to see it is a mass marketed printed shirt and understand that just because you don't get it doesn't mean it is a problem.

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Lol, yeah, all kinds of issues. The last thing I want to do when I am heading off on a plane trip is to have to change clothes in the airplane restroom and deal with the absurdity of a foolish request. Because absurdity irritates the crap out of me.

As far as the time to assimilate the phrase. Really? You can't read something and think two seconds before you go whining to the teacher...I mean flight attendant? Obviously other people had seen the shirt and not panicked.


Next thing you know we will all have to line up for clothing inspection beofre being allowed onto the aircraft. Our fellow passengers will have to give us a pass or fail, and if we don't get a 80% approval rating we don't board.

I find it more offensive when some inconsiderate twit brings a tuna sandwhich on board.

Don't forget too that the TSA obviously didn't find his shirt scary. But maybe they had common sense.
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But there is the common sense issue that bugs me (obviously!). Take the baggage example. You see a bag, you see someone walking away and you think for a few seconds, asking yourself some basics. You watch them walk over, throwaway trash and walk back. You don't just take a 2 second swatch and act IMO.

I wouldn't have thought twice if one of my kids grabbed the shirt for a flight. Because common sense should reign. I would have explained and my dear husband would have argued. .
To me common sense tells me this wasn't as big a deal as people are making out. He didn't have to change his clothes, he wasn't taken off the flight, he basically was asked a couple questions. What happened to "I can't be believe people can be offended by the simplest things"?

My point about the bags is travelers are ENCOURAGED to report something they see as suspicious. They're not encouraged to think "oh, someone else must have seen it, so it must be ok".

To me the appropriate response if the FA asked me about a saying on my shirt... "Oh, it's a line from a movie." It should end there. I think the FA went a little overboard asking him to change it, but she didn't make him do so.
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Next thing you know we will all have to line up for clothing inspection beofre being allowed onto the aircraft. Our fellow passengers will have to give us a pass or fail, and if we don't get a 80% approval rating we don't board.

I find it more offensive when some inconsiderate twit brings a tuna sandwhich on board.

Don't forget too that the TSA obviously didn't find his shirt scary. But maybe they had common sense.
Ewwww, tuna! I've never experienced that one. I get headaches from some perfumes. I don't ask the person to go shower. I pop excedrin and migraine meds and know that it isn't all about me and my needs and wants.
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I would think the guy explained it was just a movie quote. But perhaps he was too astounded by the request. One would have thought the fa would have asked the context also.

But those are just musings.
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I wouldn't have thought twice if one of my kids grabbed the shirt for a flight. Because common sense should reign. I would have explained and my dear husband would have argued. .
But, isn't that what happened in the OP? Man wore shirt. Passengers who were not familiar with the movie were "intimidated" by the shirt and questioned the flight attendant. Flight attendant approached the man who explained that it was a movie quote. Flight attendant askedif he had another shirt he could could change into (didn't demand that he change). Passenger did not change. End of story.

To reiterate my position from earlier in the thread: I would have instantly recognized the quote and it would not have bothered me one bit. However, if you don't know who Inigo Montoya is, I can see it sounding similar enough to terrorist rhetoric and making some people "concerned."

I also agree that true terrorists are unlikely to wear their plans emblazoned on a t-shirt. However, as far as it being innocuous because it's "mass produced" -- there's no way to tell. My friend has screen printing equipment in his basement, and I'm a graphic designer. We could make a professional-looking t-shirt that said anything we wanted it to. I'm sure we're not the only ones who could do this... and that shirt is not a complicated design.

I guess what makes me sad about this entire thread is how many people don't seem to give a flying fig about other people's feelings. It's all "I'll wear whatever I want and if you don't like it, that's your problem not mine." If I owned that shirt, I might not have anticipated the reaction on the plane. But I would have been apologetic if I'd scared someone -- and I certainly wouldn't wear it on a plane after hearing this story. It's not my intent to make others uncomfortable. I'll choose something else. I think that's common courtesy... and something that's lacking a lot of times. (Same with eating a tuna sandwich or wearing heavy perfume on a plane. It's within your "rights" but it's not good manners.)
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Caring about feelings goes both ways. I don't manipulate people with my feelings and don't expect others to do so either.

Everyone is offended by something. Get over it. Realize that you can live your life differently than I live mine and it is ok. My niece is terrified of dogs, even pictures (autistic) Her mom doesn't ask that others hide their dogs or not wear their Doxie tshirt she teaches niece to deal with life.

I might think that violent video games are evil, but if I hear two kids describing kills, I'm not going to assume they are going to start killing people. If I see a tshirt with a reference to something I don't get I'm not going to go whining to a teacher. If I can suck it up and get over it so can other people. If I can think for a minute about other possibilities others can too.

So I do care about he feelings of others. I just don't think that people need to rule anyone's life but their own with their feelings.
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Everyone is offended by something. Get over it. Realize that you can live your life differently than I live mine and it is ok. My niece is terrified of dogs, even pictures (autistic) Her mom doesn't ask that others hide their dogs or not wear their Doxie tshirt she teaches niece to deal with life.
Would you intentionally wear your Doxie t-shirt to your niece's house, knowing she's afraid of it, because she needs to learn to "deal with life?" If so, you and I are very different. Once I knew my behavior was frightening to someone, I would change it if I could. There are plenty of people who wouldn't know she's afraid. She can learn from them. I would not intentionally frighten her just because it's within my rights to wear whatever I want.

I'll admit that I might not have anticipated that people would react the way they did to the shirt. However, once I knew (as I do from reading the OP) that people might react that way, and realizing that many people are "nervous fliers" even before 9/11, I would definitely choose something else rather than just say "deal with life." I think that's common courtesy.
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