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View Poll Results: Are you ok with them giving out your info, w/o consent
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No, not unless I say ok. 87 91.58%
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:51 PM   #1
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Company giving out personal information.

We are having a conflict of interest question at work.

Our employee has recently contracted with a company called Corporate Chaplains of America. Per the handout that each of us got, their program details are:

Our chaplin will:
Visit the work place 1 a week.
Encourage each employee when they visit.
Be available via voicemail paging 24/7/365.

They will also offer confidential care in the following area:
Employee
Hospital visitation - Marriage and remarriage - Divorce - Spousal/child abuse - Financial/budgeting matter - Pre-marital couseling/ceremony officiating - Courtroom testimony and emotional support - Death and dying - Planning/performing funeral svc

Health
Serious illness - Aids and HIV related illness - Durg/alchol dependency - Psychiatric problems - Long term grief support - Fears of national, state, and local terrorist activity

Work
Stress management - Conflict resolution - Assisting supervisors w/attraction and retention problems - Dispute resolution - Lay-off/termination trasitions

In and of itself, the vast majority of us, have no issue that they are trying to provide us with a service that many of us could use at one point or another in our lives.

BUT, the major conflict is, the owners want the HR manager to give our chaplin a list of all the emplyee's names and home and cell phone numbers, so that they can reach us in times of emergancies. Their thought is, as an example, when DH had his heart attack, when I called my employer, that they would contact the chaplin to met me at the hospital instead of it being one more thing I would have had to think about doing. The chaplin would have my cell number to get ahold of me when he arrived at the hospital.

The HR person is telling them that isn't the best idea. They need to have the employees sign off on who wants their info given out and who doesn't. There are 4 of us who sit in the basement, none of us what our info given out. We all said the same thing. We want to be the ones to call the Chaplin if and when we need them. The HR person and the owners are not seeing eye to eye on this. She knows her stuff. If she says it's not a wise idea, I think they should be listening to her and they aren't.

So, would you want your company giving out this information without your concent?
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:56 PM   #2
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We are having a conflict of interest question at work.

Our employee has recently contracted with a company called Corporate Chaplains of America. Per the handout that each of us got, their program details are:

Our chaplin will:
Visit the work place 1 a week.
Encourage each employee when they visit.
Be available via voicemail paging 24/7/365.

They will also offer confidential care in the following area:
Employee
Hospital visitation - Marriage and remarriage - Divorce - Spousal/child abuse - Financial/budgeting matter - Pre-marital couseling/ceremony officiating - Courtroom testimony and emotional support - Death and dying - Planning/performing funeral svc

Health
Serious illness - Aids and HIV related illness - Durg/alchol dependency - Psychiatric problems - Long term grief support - Fears of national, state, and local terrorist activity

Work
Stress management - Conflict resolution - Assisting supervisors w/attraction and retention problems - Dispute resolution - Lay-off/termination trasitions

In and of itself, the vast majority of us, have no issue that they are trying to provide us with a service that many of us could use at one point or another in our lives.

BUT, the major conflict is, the owners want the HR manager to give our chaplin a list of all the emplyee's names and home and cell phone numbers, so that they can reach us in times of emergancies. Their thought is, as an example, when DH had his heart attack, when I called my employer, that they would contact the chaplin to met me at the hospital instead of it being one more thing I would have had to think about doing. The chaplin would have my cell number to get ahold of me when he arrived at the hospital.

The HR person is telling them that isn't the best idea. They need to have the employees sign off on who wants their info given out and who doesn't. There are 4 of us who sit in the basement, none of us what our info given out. We all said the same thing. We want to be the ones to call the Chaplin if and when we need them. The HR person and the owners are not seeing eye to eye on this. She knows her stuff. If she says it's not a wise idea, I think they should be listening to her and they aren't.

So, would you want your company giving out this information without your concent?
No, I wouldn't. Furthermore, I find it quite presumptuous of your employers to assume that everyone would find a chaplain to be a comfort. It is likely that most would already have some sort of clergy person they are already familiar with to serve in that capacity.
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We are having a conflict of interest question at work.

Our employee has recently contracted with a company called Corporate Chaplains of America. Per the handout that each of us got, their program details are:

Our chaplin will:
Visit the work place 1 a week.
Encourage each employee when they visit.
Be available via voicemail paging 24/7/365.

They will also offer confidential care in the following area:
Employee
Hospital visitation - Marriage and remarriage - Divorce - Spousal/child abuse - Financial/budgeting matter - Pre-marital couseling/ceremony officiating - Courtroom testimony and emotional support - Death and dying - Planning/performing funeral svc

Health
Serious illness - Aids and HIV related illness - Durg/alchol dependency - Psychiatric problems - Long term grief support - Fears of national, state, and local terrorist activity

Work
Stress management - Conflict resolution - Assisting supervisors w/attraction and retention problems - Dispute resolution - Lay-off/termination trasitions

In and of itself, the vast majority of us, have no issue that they are trying to provide us with a service that many of us could use at one point or another in our lives.

BUT, the major conflict is, the owners want the HR manager to give our chaplin a list of all the emplyee's names and home and cell phone numbers, so that they can reach us in times of emergancies. Their thought is, as an example, when DH had his heart attack, when I called my employer, that they would contact the chaplin to met me at the hospital instead of it being one more thing I would have had to think about doing. The chaplin would have my cell number to get ahold of me when he arrived at the hospital.

The HR person is telling them that isn't the best idea. They need to have the employees sign off on who wants their info given out and who doesn't. There are 4 of us who sit in the basement, none of us what our info given out. We all said the same thing. We want to be the ones to call the Chaplin if and when we need them. The HR person and the owners are not seeing eye to eye on this. She knows her stuff. If she says it's not a wise idea, I think they should be listening to her and they aren't.

So, would you want your company giving out this information without your concent?


No, and I wouldn't want anything to do with a Chaplain service anyway. We're agnostic. How odd. I can't see my company doing that unless they did it for EVERY religion. Is there a Rabbis-R-Us?
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:10 PM   #4
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Nope! And I imagine there are very few people who would think this is a good idea.

Those who are agnostic (or just not religious) wouldn't want the chaplain there and wouldn't find their help a comfort
Those who are religious and would want some spiritual guidance almost certainly have their own Priest/Rabbi/Minister/Imam/etc. who they would call on (or at least would prefer someone from their specific faith, not a generic chaplain)

There may be a few people who would appreciate this service. It's nice that your employer wants to offer it. But let those people opt-in rather than presuming to send some stranger to an employee in a time of crisis.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:50 PM   #5
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Not even close to a good idea! Not all share the same regards to needing comfort of a religious body be it specific or general during a time of need.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:58 PM   #6
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We are having a conflict of interest question at work.

Our employee has recently contracted with a company called Corporate Chaplains of America. Per the handout that each of us got, their program details are:

Our chaplin will:
Visit the work place 1 a week.
Encourage each employee when they visit.
Be available via voicemail paging 24/7/365.

They will also offer confidential care in the following area:
Employee
Hospital visitation - Marriage and remarriage - Divorce - Spousal/child abuse - Financial/budgeting matter - Pre-marital couseling/ceremony officiating - Courtroom testimony and emotional support - Death and dying - Planning/performing funeral svc

Health
Serious illness - Aids and HIV related illness - Durg/alchol dependency - Psychiatric problems - Long term grief support - Fears of national, state, and local terrorist activity

Work
Stress management - Conflict resolution - Assisting supervisors w/attraction and retention problems - Dispute resolution - Lay-off/termination trasitions

In and of itself, the vast majority of us, have no issue that they are trying to provide us with a service that many of us could use at one point or another in our lives.

BUT, the major conflict is, the owners want the HR manager to give our chaplin a list of all the emplyee's names and home and cell phone numbers, so that they can reach us in times of emergancies. Their thought is, as an example, when DH had his heart attack, when I called my employer, that they would contact the chaplin to met me at the hospital instead of it being one more thing I would have had to think about doing. The chaplin would have my cell number to get ahold of me when he arrived at the hospital.

The HR person is telling them that isn't the best idea. They need to have the employees sign off on who wants their info given out and who doesn't. There are 4 of us who sit in the basement, none of us what our info given out. We all said the same thing. We want to be the ones to call the Chaplin if and when we need them. The HR person and the owners are not seeing eye to eye on this. She knows her stuff. If she says it's not a wise idea, I think they should be listening to her and they aren't.

So, would you want your company giving out this information without your concent?

Absolutely not. Your HR person is correct, it's a bad idea. In fact, my company will not disclose any information to a third party without written consent.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:59 PM   #7
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I would be fine with a chaplin having my number
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Old 05-09-2013, 02:17 PM   #8
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No, I would not want the company giving my personal information to a chaplain, and I think it's a bad idea in general. I would not want a company chaplain visiting me or my family in the hospital or in other time of need/distress.
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So, would you want your company giving out this information without your concent?
Absolutely not. I'd find the so-called support of someone from an organization whose mission it is "to share the life-changing Good News of Jesus Christ in a non-threatening manner" under the philosophy that "Jesus Christ is the answer to our greatest need" very intrusive, particularly in a time of crisis (quotes from the organization's "about us" page).

I can't imagine who thought this would be a good idea. As someone else already pointed out, non-Christians aren't going to appreciate evangelism dressed up as support and practicing Christians likely have their own faith community to turn to. I'm sure there are those who would find it helpful, particularly cultural/non-practicing Christians, but on whole it seems very insensitive to consider this a service appropriate for a diverse workforce.

ETA: Since the chaplain will be visiting the workplace weekly it should be a simple enough matter for him/her to collect contact information from employees who do appreciate the service.
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Absolutely not. I'd find the so-called support of someone from an organization whose mission it is "to share the life-changing Good News of Jesus Christ in a non-threatening manner" under the philosophy that "Jesus Christ is the answer to our greatest need" very intrusive, particularly in a time of crisis (quotes from the organization's "about us" page).

I can't imagine who thought this would be a good idea. As someone else already pointed out, non-Christians aren't going to appreciate evangelism dressed up as support and practicing Christians likely have their own faith community to turn to. I'm sure there are those who would find it helpful, particularly cultural/non-practicing Christians, but on whole it seems very insensitive to consider this a service appropriate for a diverse workforce.

ETA: Since the chaplain will be visiting the workplace weekly it should be a simple enough matter for him/her to collect contact information from employees who do appreciate the service.
Oh, my. After reading more, there's no way I'd want this company in my workplace. Very insensitive to non-Christians and/or progressive Christians who don't believe the bible is the inerrant word of God or that only Christians may enter the kingdom of heaven or that Christians are required to evangelize. So many things wrong with this.

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What can you tells us about the owners and why they might want to do this? Is the service owned by a relative or something like that? It's probably illegal in the first place to give out that information.
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Bottom line, would NOT be comfortable with this and if I was contacted by the chaplin, I would tell him thanks, but no thanks. Less said the better with this kind of stuff.

Now if he questioned me in any way about my religious affliation and I reiterate, thanks but no thanks and if he continued if he with a line of questioning, then we are going to have issues. At that point I would be wondering if my employer is doing a mission trip on me to collect info.
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Bottom line, would NOT be comfortable with this and if I was contacted by the chaplin, I would tell him thanks, but no thanks. Less said the better with this kind of stuff.

Now if he questioned me in any way about my religious affliation and I reiterate, thanks but no thanks and if he continued if he with a line of questioning, then we are going to have issues. At that point I would be wondering if my employer is doing a mission trip on me to collect info.
I was wondering this myself. There has to be an ulterior motive. I've never heard of such a thing.
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Oh, my. After reading more, there's no way I'd want this company in my workplace. Very insensitive to non-Christians and/or progressive Christians who don't believe the bible is the inerrant word of God or that only Christians may enter the kingdom of heaven or that Christians are required to evangelize. So many things wrong with this.

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What you are listing is their beliefs. They are Christians. This is what most Christians believe. And I don't see what you are reading that makes them "insensitive" to anything. A simple statement of beliefs. Just as anyone else's statement of beliefs may be different from yours, but that doesn't make them insensitive.


As to the original post--I would want the giving out of my phone number, address, etc. to be my choice. I would think the better option would be someone to have the Chaplain's number and give it to the person "in need" to call. Some times even a religious person can be without a home church but still want the comfort of a chaplain.
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I'd let my employer know that he can most certainly give my personal cell phone number and address away as long as he/she let ME give his/her personal cell phone number and address to anyone I might think would be of assistance to him/her!


No, this is NOT proper in any way, shape or form.


I'm an atheist. I would VERY MUCH consider this to be religious harassment.
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