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Old 01-21-2013, 02:36 AM   #76
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The choose 1 from column A and choose 1 from column B type of action plan is the exact thing that concerns me. I don't ride a lot of different rides in some parks, I enjoy the ability to get two fast passes for the same attraction in a day. I do like the fact that I could hold fast passes without having to be at a park early.
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Old 01-21-2013, 09:56 AM   #77
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It is a good way to stop that stampede at DHS for Toy Story Mania. So are you saying that more people will be happy and attendance will increase thus recouping the billions spent on this plan?
I think that Disney believes that higher guest satisfaction will lead to more return trips. Having more control over crowd traffic will lead to additional savings. And if people are preordering their food, think of how much faster they will be able to turn the tables over.

The problem with TSMM is that it's one of the few rides that everybody will want to fast pass. I feel like getting those fast passes will become like getting a Le Cellier ADR.
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Old 01-21-2013, 10:50 AM   #78
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Am I the only one that wants absolutely nothing to do with any of this?

I mean, it's not that I don't like change. I'm all for it.

But after spending 6 days in the parks with just my kids and deciding after getting off a ride what ride we're going to go on next, I don't have the slightest interest in scheduling rides ahead of time.

And I saw enough people's faces buried in their smartphones on this trip to dread what it will be like when they're a "must" for a touring schedule. Ugh.

I just really really hope (I know they SAY it....) that this stuff doesn't ruin the park-going experience for the spontaneously-inclined guest that could care less about their cell phone while on vacation.

Now get off my lawn.
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:27 AM   #79
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Am I the only one that wants absolutely nothing to do with any of this?

I mean, it's not that I don't like change. I'm all for it.

But after spending 6 days in the parks with just my kids and deciding after getting off a ride what ride we're going to go on next, I don't have the slightest interest in scheduling rides ahead of time.

And I saw enough people's faces buried in their smartphones on this trip to dread what it will be like when they're a "must" for a touring schedule. Ugh.

I just really really hope (I know they SAY it....) that this stuff doesn't ruin the park-going experience for the spontaneously-inclined guest that could care less about their cell phone while on vacation.

Now get off my lawn.
I haven't really liked what I've heard about MyMagic+ and I AM a planner. I love making touring plans, but it isn't unusual for us to change our plans as we go either.

I am hoping that I will be wrong. I didn't like when they added a no show fee for reservations or decided to enforce return times for fast passes, but was able to adapt without issues so I will cross my fingers about this. Either way, I hope it's rolled out well before my trip so that any bugs can be worked out before I go.
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Old 01-21-2013, 11:50 AM   #80
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Am I the only one that wants absolutely nothing to do with any of this?

I mean, it's not that I don't like change. I'm all for it.

But after spending 6 days in the parks with just my kids and deciding after getting off a ride what ride we're going to go on next, I don't have the slightest interest in scheduling rides ahead of time.

And I saw enough people's faces buried in their smartphones on this trip to dread what it will be like when they're a "must" for a touring schedule. Ugh.

I just really really hope (I know they SAY it....) that this stuff doesn't ruin the park-going experience for the spontaneously-inclined guest that could care less about their cell phone while on vacation.

Now get off my lawn.
I totally agree, last time I was at the parks I couldn't get over how many were walking around looking at the phones or whatever device. It was amazing to me and it does seem like this will make it worse. I don't like "having" to have your phone either. Most of the time I'm thrilled to leave the phone in the room.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:41 PM   #81
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Someday everyone will be using contacts or glasses that will allow them to access the internet, thus eliminating people having their heads buried in their phone.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:20 PM   #82
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I keep seeing more and more of these types of posts:

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Coworker ran into he same on Goofys Barnstormer. 10 minute standby ended up exceeding 45 minutes. Said there couldn't have been more than 40 people ahead of them when they got in line. Sounds like way too many FP's were issued for the same timeframe
I believe this is an indicator of what is coming with FP+ and it shows how Disney intends to pay for it.

Basically Disney will use FP+ as a way to control crowds and allow the park's capacities to increase. The main idea of FP+ is to spread people out and utilize all the resources inside the parks 100%. You are not operating efficiently if everyone is at Space Mountain while Stitch lays idle. So you need to get people out of the standby line and into the Stitch ride. How do you do that? By making the standby lines so onerous nobody wants to get in them. You make it so only people with FP+ have a chance to ride the rides. Don't have a FP+, Disney will offer you immediate FP+ to Stitch.

If you do this, you can increase the allowable park capacities to rise without having to add personnel or other resources. I think a great example is the Magic Kingdom. I see no reason why their current capacity level of around 80K can't be increased to 160K with the addition of FP+ and the Fantasyland Expansion. Just imagine if they are able to pull in an extra 60,000 people per day that are spending $100 per person (ticket, food, souvenirs, etc). That's an additional $6,000,000 in revenue per day. Now times that by 365 days and you'll see that they'll make back their money really quickly.

Heck, if they stuff 10,000 more people into Hollywood Studios just imagine the extra money they will be racking in.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:26 PM   #83
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I believe this is an indicator of what is coming with FP+ and it shows how Disney intends to pay for it.

Basically Disney will use FP+ as a way to control crowds and allow the park's capacities to increase. The main idea of FP+ is to spread people out and utilize all the resources inside the parks 100%. You are not operating efficiently if everyone is at Space Mountain while Stitch lays idle. So you need to get people out of the standby line and into the Stitch ride. How do you do that? By making the standby lines so onerous nobody wants to get in them. You make it so only people with FP+ have a chance to ride the rides. Don't have a FP+, Disney will offer you immediate FP+ to Stitch.

If you do this, you can increase the allowable park capacities to rise without having to add personnel or other resources. I think a great example is the Magic Kingdom. I see no reason why their current capacity level of around 80K can't be increased to 160K with the addition of FP+ and the Fantasyland Expansion. Just imagine if they are able to pull in an extra 60,000 people per day that are spending $100 per person (ticket, food, souvenirs, etc). That's an additional $6,000,000 in revenue per day. Now times that by 365 days and you'll see that they'll make back their money really quickly.

Heck, if they stuff 10,000 more people into Hollywood Studios just imagine the extra money they will be racking in.
That all makes sense and could definitely be part of the missing income. All along we thought they were going to use this to fill resorts, when actually they could have been planning on filling the parks, and adding more to the resorts indirectly.

They can pull this off too, because the advertising campaign is going to be super slick!

Teens and thrill riders will not tolerate this though. So they will have to over come that hurdle.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:38 PM   #84
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I keep seeing more and more of these types of posts:
Unless something has radically changed, Goofy's Barnstormer doesn't have Fastpass. So I'm not sure that report could be true.
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Old 01-21-2013, 04:40 PM   #85
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People who are saying they won't use this, will sing a different tune when they have no choice but to use it. No doubt about it - this will alter your touring habits. For some people this will be just what they wanted. For others - most likely the Disney "old timers" - they will hate this new system.

With this initiative Disney is looking for new visitors. It realizes a major part of its core following is aging and it now looks to get the next generation of theme park visitors. This is a big piece to that.
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I keep seeing more and more of these types of posts:

I believe this is an indicator of what is coming with FP+ and it shows how Disney intends to pay for it.

Basically Disney will use FP+ as a way to control crowds and allow the park's capacities to increase. The main idea of FP+ is to spread people out and utilize all the resources inside the parks 100%. You are not operating efficiently if everyone is at Space Mountain while Stitch lays idle. So you need to get people out of the standby line and into the Stitch ride. How do you do that? By making the standby lines so onerous nobody wants to get in them. You make it so only people with FP+ have a chance to ride the rides. Don't have a FP+, Disney will offer you immediate FP+ to Stitch.

If you do this, you can increase the allowable park capacities to rise without having to add personnel or other resources. I think a great example is the Magic Kingdom. I see no reason why their current capacity level of around 80K can't be increased to 160K with the addition of FP+ and the Fantasyland Expansion. Just imagine if they are able to pull in an extra 60,000 people per day that are spending $100 per person (ticket, food, souvenirs, etc). That's an additional $6,000,000 in revenue per day. Now times that by 365 days and you'll see that they'll make back their money really quickly.

Heck, if they stuff 10,000 more people into Hollywood Studios just imagine the extra money they will be racking in.
This is what I was trying to say. You just said it better than me. :-)
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Unless something has radically changed, Goofy's Barnstormer doesn't have Fastpass. So I'm not sure that report could be true.
Isn't there a barnstormer fast pass machine next to Dumbo's fast pass machine?
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Isn't there a barnstormer fast pass machine next to Dumbo's fast pass machine?
I stand corrected. I was not aware they had added Fastpass to Barnstormer as part of the FLE. Hadn't heard a single thing about it, actually...
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OK, it's Al Lutz, but he said in his blog that this WILL be replacing the fastpass system we all know and it WILL be used to for luring people to stay on-site and to entice people to upgrade their vacations. It's pay for play.

Also, Disney Anaheim learned a lesson the past year with DCA, by adding more people into the parks you can drive huge profits. That's what this all about, getting more people in the parks and getting money from those people. I know it sounds callous for me to say that, but don't ever forget that Disney is in business to make profit.

Plus, you gotta pay for Iger's 40 million dollar salary.
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OK, it's Al Lutz, but he said in his blog that this WILL be replacing the fastpass system we all know and it WILL be used to for luring people to stay on-site and to entice people to upgrade their vacations. It's pay for play.

Also, Disney Anaheim learned a lesson the past year with DCA, by adding more people into the parks you can drive huge profits. That's what this all about, getting more people in the parks and getting money from those people. I know it sounds callous for me to say that, but don't ever forget that Disney is in business to make profit.

Plus, you gotta pay for Iger's 40 million dollar salary.
Link? Sounds like the old rumors, and I couldn't find a recent article about it from him.

There are different things here...

Everything indicates FastPass+ will be available to ALL guests - eventually. It will be rolled out gradually, but not in a way that I'd expect would drive resort stays. The rollout might be pretty aggressive, actually, but will start with resort guests. Scuttlebutt says select resorts will start, BWI being the first (although there has been some mention of Beach Club on the boards).

Even MyMagic+ seems to be geared for all guests. Resort guests will automatically get MagicBands, and all the other features, unless they opt out. Non resort guests can purchase MagicBands to use in place of an RFID-enabled ticket. And from the website, it looks like you may be able to tie a credit card to your account, which might allow direct charging via MagicBand similar to resort guests. Bot certain it will work that way though.

For everyone, it is expected that "designer" or "personalized" MagicBands will be available for an upcharge.
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