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Old 01-07-2013, 11:48 PM   #46
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We live close to the University of Louisiana at Monroe. I attended school there, my daughter is presently attending, and my husband and older daughter graduated from there. (Also had children graduate from La Tech, LSU, and University of Arkansas at Monticello).

ULM was once known as Northeast Louisiana University NLU. For 75 years we were know as the NLU Indians. A couple of years ago The Indian mascot was retired because of NCAA restrictions against Indian themed mascots which were considered "hostile and abusive" by Native Americans. Who knew? All those years we thought we were honoring our Indians. In 2006 our new mascot became the Warhawk honoring Maj. Gen. Claire Lee Chennault's United States Army Air Corps World War II unit's Curtiss P-40 Warhawk. General Chennault was born in Texas but raised in Louisiana.

Thoses of us who attended during the Indian mascot years will always fondly remember him and our doing the Tomahwak chop while the band played!

By the way, The University of Louisiana at Monroe Water Ski Team won their 24th national championship title this fall. We also have a beautiful bayou running through our campus.

So, while my youngest daughter may graduate as a Warhawk and we have numerous tee shirts sporting pictures of "Ace the Warhawk" some of us will forever be Indians in our hearts and proud of the fact.

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It seems like people look for things to be offended about. I will always refer to it as sitting "Indian style". I do not see the term "mentally retarded" as being an insult, but I don't use it just because I know some people are offended. I do understand that it is because some people use it as an insult. But, that in of itself doesn't make it an insult for everyone to use it IMO. Like I said, though...I don't use it because I don't want to hurt anyone intentionally. My DH is a cop, but I've heard some people are offended if they are called cops and want to be called officers. . Why does it matter? I never thought of Oriental as being offensive. We have restaurants that describe themselves as "Oriental cuisine" or "Oriental buffet". It just seems that the ones who usually complain how offensive something is isn't even the people who are supposedly offended.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:10 AM   #48
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We live close to the University of Louisiana at Monroe. I attended school there, my daughter is presently attending, and my husband and older daughter graduated from there. (Also had children graduate from La Tech, LSU, and University of Arkansas at Monticello).

ULM was once known as Northeast Louisiana University NLU. For 75 years we were know as the NLU Indians. A couple of years ago The Indian mascot was retired because of NCAA restrictions against Indian themed mascots which were considered "hostile and abusive" by Native Americans. Who knew? All those years we thought we were honoring our Indians. In 2006 our new mascot became the Warhawk honoring Maj. Gen. Claire Lee Chennault's United States Army Air Corps World War II unit's Curtiss P-40 Warhawk. General Chennault was born in Texas but raised in Louisiana.

Thoses of us who attended during the Indian mascot years will always fondly remember him and our doing the Tomahwak chop while the band played!

By the way, The University of Louisiana at Monroe Water Ski Team won their 24th national championship title this fall. We also have a beautiful bayou running through our campus.

So, while my youngest daughter may graduate as a Warhawk and we have numerous tee shirts sporting pictures of "Ace the Warhawk" some of us will forever be Indians in our hearts and proud of the fact.

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Same here--When I graduated, it was Arkansas State University Indians. Running Joe was our mascot. It is now Arkansas State University Redwolves (Godaddy.com bowl champs ). Strangely enough, I don't know one Indian who was offended, including myself (just 1/4). It was never used as an insult and just seemed sad that NCAA had to step in.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:39 AM   #49
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I had no idea this was not correct either. Wonder what else I say that is insulting to some people?
I still call it Indian style on occassion and then have to think what the whole rhyme is with the criss cross applesauce (which I'm waiting for it to be called something else later on because somehow this is going to get twisted). If I recall sitting with your legs straight out is called pretzel rod in preschool but maybe I'm imagining that. I thought I recall my youngest saying that (or I was in on a class) -- I just remembered it both was related to food.

I can pretty much guarantee I insult someone, not intentionally but it happens. I'm just waiting for the day when I say "hey guys" = "you all" around here that some female is going to go "I'm no guy"...but I doubt I will change it since it is just typical speak around here (doesn't matter if there are no guys in the group you are addressing).
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:42 AM   #50
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My son (now 16) introduced me to criss cross applesauce way back in 2001 when he was in kindergarten. Now my youngest is in kindergarten and the saying is:

Criss cross applesauce..... Spoons in your bowl

It means they sit cross legged and put their hands down in their laps. I guess it's to learn to keep their hands to themselves.
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I still call it Indian style on occassion and then have to think what the whole rhyme is with the criss cross applesauce (which I'm waiting for it to be called something else later on because somehow this is going to get twisted). If I recall sitting with your legs straight out is called pretzel rod in preschool but maybe I'm imagining that. I thought I recall my youngest saying that (or I was in on a class) -- I just remembered it both was related to food.

I can pretty much guarantee I insult someone, not intentionally but it happens. I'm just waiting for the day when I say "hey guys" = "you all" around here that some female is going to go "I'm no guy"...but I doubt I will change it since it is just typical speak around here (doesn't matter if there are no guys in the group you are addressing).
"You guys" is a regional thing. I'd wager that most Southern women do not like the term. It is jarring. I'll take y'all, ma'am, honey, sweetie pie or sugar ahead of "you guys" any day of the week, provided it is said politely, which it is 99.99% of the time. It's cultural. I don't think any offense is intended by someone using "you guys," so I take no offense. I don't get mad or upset. I just have a "fingernails on the chalkboard" aversion to the use of "guys" when women are being spoken to. We so rarely hear the phrase that when we do, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Being called "sugar" by some older lady, "honey" by a waitress or "ma'am" by a checker is a regular happening and intended in a warm, friendly way so it is typically taken as such. I grew up with it, as have generations before me. It is familiar to me. I can understand that to someone not used to such terms, they could be unsettling. It's just whatever you are used to.
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On being called "Asian"..........

DD was born in the Asian part of Russia. But visit her birthplace and 90% of the kids will be blonde or red haired, as is DD. Anyway, I mentioned to DD when she was younger that she was born in Asia and she looked completely confused and asked, "I'm ASIAN??????" I had to explain the finer points of that one.
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I still call it Indian style on occassion and then have to think what the whole rhyme is with the criss cross applesauce (which I'm waiting for it to be called something else later on because somehow this is going to get twisted). If I recall sitting with your legs straight out is called pretzel rod in preschool but maybe I'm imagining that. I thought I recall my youngest saying that (or I was in on a class) -- I just remembered it both was related to food.

I can pretty much guarantee I insult someone, not intentionally but it happens. I'm just waiting for the day when I say "hey guys" = "you all" around here that some female is going to go "I'm no guy"...but I doubt I will change it since it is just typical speak around here (doesn't matter if there are no guys in the group you are addressing).
See, that's why the proper term is "y'all".
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In my experience, people prefer to be refered to by their country of origin. To use the blanket "Middle Eastern" label discounts their unique countries and heritage and lumps a wide variety of people in one generic group.
So does that make residents of the United States, United Statesians? Some people from Central America-not sure about South America or Canada- get riled when people from the US refer to themselves as Americans because they're American too.
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I don't think you should speak for the whole of the UK. I'm from Northern Ireland and over here it's considered not good taste to refer to Asian people as Oriental.
Also, over here, Asian pretty much equals Chinese/from Hong Kong. Anywhere else gets referred to by name, or a person from India is referred to as Indian and so on.

Also, Americans are just Americans over here. We only use Yank very occasionally (and then it's moreover we were making a joke about an American person).

It may just be the areas we're in, though.
OK, I'll rephrase to say, in general, the term Oriental is not offensive in the UK, but there may well be pockets where it is. I'm struggling to find a source that states it is offensive here, maybe you can find one? I'm just finding site after site after site stating that whilst it's offensive in the US, it's not offensive in the UK. It's certainly not offensive where I live.

I'll strongly stick by my statement about the term "Yank", though. From personal experience, I'd say I lost track of the number of times I was called "Yank" in oooooooh, maybe a week here (and really I'm a Brit who just speaks with an American accent!). It's pretty much constant, I don't take offense if it's not said in a derogatory manner, and yes, it happens all over the UK, including NI.

Oh, and welcome to the DIS! There's lots of us here, and I'm sure you'll quickly find that we don't always agree as to what is representative of our country.
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So does that make residents of the United States, United Statesians? Some people from Central America-not sure about South America or Canada- get riled when people from the US refer to themselves as Americans because they're American too.
I have little patience for people who get their knickers in a twist over that one. Let them stew if it makes them feel better, but I think they are LOOKING for a reason to be offended.
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'Mentally retarded' is the one I don't get at all. I don't use it because I know people find it objectionable, I just don't understand why.
I agree. My mother was a social worker for 30 years and she specialized in finding care for children who were mentally disabled or the parents were mentally disabled. Everyone used the term "Mentally Retarded" for years and now it's not PC. I don't understand why either.
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'Mentally retarded' is the one I don't get at all. I don't use it because I know people find it objectionable, I just don't understand why.

I'm the mom of a DD that is "mentally retarded". I don't find it offensive to use it in the correct context but it makes my skin crawl when I hear the word "retard" or "retarded" throw around as an insult.

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One I didn't realize was not politically correct is sitting "indian-style". Now they just say "criss-cross applesauce". Is it really derogatory to refer to that seating position as indian-style? I guess I just never had any racist thoughts when I used the term myself, it just referred to that particular sitting position so I didn't see what was that wrong with it. I'm sure someone will enlighten me though... (Please no flaming, it's just one of those things I grew up getting used to and haven't given it much thought since then; my intention would never be to offend anyone.)


I also grew up calling it Indian Style but it changed to "ring sitting" when my children were in school







One that I hear often on House Hunters International is the term "Ex-Pat". They seem to use it regarding anyone that moves to another country from Europe, the US or Canada.

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at my son's school , the teachers are not allowed to say sit on your bottom, they have to say "sit on your pockets.."
Why not? Is 'bottom' a bad word now?

What if you don't have back pockets?
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Same here--When I graduated, it was Arkansas State University Indians. Running Joe was our mascot. It is now Arkansas State University Redwolves (Godaddy.com bowl champs ). Strangely enough, I don't know one Indian who was offended, including myself (just 1/4). It was never used as an insult and just seemed sad that NCAA had to step in.
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