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Old 01-07-2013, 08:54 AM   #1
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Merry Christmas!!!

Merry Christmas to anyone celebrating Orthodox Christmas today.

My husbands family has always followed the Gregorian calendar instead of the revised Julian calendar and that makes January 7th Christmas!

Our children have always loved getting two Christmases and often two Easters!
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My grandfather (who unfortunately passed away a few years ago) was Russian Orthodox, and we always celebrated Russian Christmas for him. I intend to keep celebrating it in his memory (even if that only means I keep the decorations up past the 7th!).
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My boss celebrates Christmas today. She came in for a little bit and will then leave early. She and the family spend the entire Christmas vacation in South Beach but come home for Christmas.
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My grandfather (who unfortunately passed away a few years ago) was Russian Orthodox, and we always celebrated Russian Christmas for him. I intend to keep celebrating it in his memory (even if that only means I keep the decorations up past the 7th!).
From what I understood, Eastern Orthodox churches did switch over to the Gregorian calendar, so they celebrated on 12/25? "Oriental" Orthodox (whatever that means) aka Old Calendar Orthodox, still use the Julian Calendar, which makes today Christmas.

At least that's what I heard on NPR. Obviously something was incorrect.
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From what I understood, Eastern Orthodox churches did switch over to the Gregorian calendar, so they celebrated on 12/25? "Oriental" Orthodox (whatever that means) aka Old Calendar Orthodox, still use the Julian Calendar, which makes today Christmas.

At least that's what I heard on NPR. Obviously something was incorrect.
Yep something is confused.

Here is a web site that explains some of it. http://www.infoukes.com/culture/traditions/christmas/

"WHY DO UKRAINIANS CELEBRATE Christmas on January 7th rather than December 25th? Many people wonder why the Ukrainian date is thirteen days later and only a few people are aware that it is related to a change from the calendar which was in use two thousand years ago.

Tradition plays a great part in the lives of people of Ukrainian origin and it is for this reason that they have continued to celebrate Christmas on the old date that would have been observed by all Christians.

The Roman calendar that had been in use since the eighth century B.C. originally started the year on March 1 and had 10 months as the names of the months themselves indicate, September (7), October (8), November (9) and December (10). Eventually two months were added, Januarius and Februarius, and the year was started on January. However, it was only 355 days long so it had over ten days error and the seasons and the calendar over the years continued to lose their correct relationship. ....

JULIUS CAESAR FINALLY in 46 B.C. had the Greek astronomer Sosigenes establish the length of the solar calendar at 365 and one quarter days (365.25). Every fourth year was to add one day to keep the quarter days accurate and this has now become our leap year with February 29. The Julian Calendar was introduced on January 1, 45 B.C. and the next year Caesar was honored by having the seventh month renamed in his honor as July. A later Roman Emperor, Augustus Caesar, corrected the leap year system in A.D. 8 and in his honor a month was renamed August.

But the Julian year of 365 days and 6 hours exceeds the true solar year of 365.2422 days or 365 days 5 hours 49 minutes and 46 seconds by the amount of 11 minutes 14 seconds. The difference is about 0.0078 of a day per year or about one day in 128 years. Over a period of 1,500 years the calendar was again getting out of step with the natural seasons by about ten days.

Christmas, which had been celebrated on many different dates was finally fixed on December 25th by Bishop Liberius of Rome.

In 354 A.D. he chose the date to replace a Roman pagan festival of sun-god worship with Christ's Mass, a Christian event.
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FINALLY POPE GREGORY XIII in 1528 introduced changes to correct the error in the Julian Calendar. To restore the vernal or spring equinox to March 21st he eliminated the 10 days from March 11 to 21 in 1582 so the dates March 12 to 20 never existed in 1582, at least not in Roman Catholic countries. Some Protestant countries like England and Sweden adopted the new calendar only in 1752 so there was 11 days difference by then.

The Orthodox and Eastern rite churches such as the Ukrainian have maintained the Julian Calendar for ecclesiastical purposes into this century. The Ukrainians, numbering some 50 million in the world are the second largest nation following the Julian Calendar in their churches. The difference between the two Calendars placed Christmas on January 7th and, because of the size of the Ukrainian church the date has become widely known as "Ukrainian Christmas." However, there are other smaller Eastern-rite Orthodox national churches such as the Greek, Syrian, Serbian, Bulgarian and Byelorussian that follow the same calendar.

Historically the Julian Calendar is sometimes called Old Style (O.S.) and the Gregorian is called New Style (N.S.). All the Orthodox countries which preserved the Julian Calendar into this century had a 13 day lag. Thus a date would be written January 4/17, 1918, meaning the 4th in new style and 17th in the old style calendar.

Many Ukrainian families and many Ukrainian churches continue to observe the old traditional date of Ukrainian Christmas on January 7 despite the pressures of modern society to change. The later date appeals to many people since, after the commercialism of December 25th, it is possible to enjoy a quieter and more religious occasion. For those who leave their shopping for the last minute the big advantage in celebrating Ukrainian Christmas is that the big sales start - just in time for Christmas shopping."


If your church or family follows the Gregorian calendar then Jan 7th is Christmas.

My DH is Ukrainian so his family celebrates today as Christmas the 14th as New Years.
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