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Old 01-03-2013, 02:56 PM   #1
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6 year old suspended for pointing his finger

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...efc_story.html

Seriously? This warrants a suspension?
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:03 PM   #2
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Seriously? This warrants a suspension?
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Montgomery schools spokesman Dana Tofig said he could not discuss individual students for privacy reasons. But in a written statement, Tofig said the suspension “was not a kneejerk reaction to a single incident.”

In disciplining young students, Tofig added: “We always make sure there is clear conversation with the student and parents about any behaviors that have to change and what the consequences are if that behavior doesn’t change.”
Sounds like the boy and his parents were told what would happen if he didn't stop certain behavior and he didn't.

Yes, pointing a finger at another child and saying "pow" seems very tame and not worth a suspension. But what's the background? It appears this wasn't an isolated incident. Did the school take other steps previously? Did the child (and parents) willingly ignore suspension threats? Should children not be held accountable?

Honestly, I'm surprised the school released as much information as they did.
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:03 PM   #3
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In seeing the headline, I was about to rail against "no tolerance" policies in schools, but after actually reading the whole article, it sounds like this wasn't at all a one time incident or a "no tolerance" first-offense kind of thing. I don't agree that, in general, little boys pretending to shoot things should be suspended. But the kid does need to follow the school rules, and after parents conferences and meetings with guidance counselor, the kid still didn't follow the rules.
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:03 PM   #4
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All I can say is there has to be more behind this story than the little told in the article. It comes down to how many warnings did he get before it got to a One-Day. Sometimes it takes an out-of-school to get your point across unfortunately. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with this particular suspension, but it may have been warranted!
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:05 PM   #5
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I'm a little torn on this one. The article states that he had been spoken to about doing this before by a counselor and the assistance principal and they warned one of the parents about the punishment if it happened and the child choose to do it again. I understand that kids test boundries at that age a lot, but there needs to be consequences at some point.
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:12 PM   #6
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I talked to my (now 10) son years ago that at school he couldn't even pretend to have a gun.

It's common sense in todays world that schools don't even want a hint of guns on campus.

It isn't that much of a hardship to talk to your kids about it.
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:33 PM   #7
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My son was sent to the principal a few years ago for drawing a picture of a man with a gun. He was 6 or 7. (9 now)

There's a zero tolerance policy when it comes to guns, the hint of violence etc in schools and as silly as it may seem at times, I get the reasons for it.

On one side we think about the shooting at Sandy Hook and say "What are the schools doing to protect our kids?" then when something like this happens we think the school is overreacting.

I don't fault the school at all. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't so they may as well do...
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Maybe we need to take more positive actions like this to confront a casual attitude toward violence among our children.
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he should be expelled and his finger confiscated by the government
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The child is 6 years old. He didn't hurt anyone. He was playing. There was a 5 year old boy in DD's class (when she was in Kindergarten) who thought he was Batman. I think this is perfectly age appropriate and everyone involved over-reacted. No one should be suspended for waving a finger. That's just ridiculous.
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The child is 6 years old. He didn't hurt anyone. He was playing. There was a 5 year old boy in DD's class (when she was in Kindergarten) who thought he was Batman. I think this is perfectly age appropriate and everyone involved over-reacted. No one should be suspended for waving a finger. That's just ridiculous.
Since none of us were there (I assume), it's pretty hard to pass judgement on this one. I hate most zero-tolerance rules, but many times there's a lot more history that goes into a decision than one instance shows.
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From the article...
Sounds like the boy and his parents were told what would happen if he didn't stop certain behavior and he didn't.

Yes, pointing a finger at another child and saying "pow" seems very tame and not worth a suspension. But what's the background? It appears this wasn't an isolated incident. Did the school take other steps previously? Did the child (and parents) willingly ignore suspension threats? Should children not be held accountable?

Honestly, I'm surprised the school released as much information as they did.

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In seeing the headline, I was about to rail against "no tolerance" policies in schools, but after actually reading the whole article, it sounds like this wasn't at all a one time incident or a "no tolerance" first-offense kind of thing. I don't agree that, in general, little boys pretending to shoot things should be suspended. But the kid does need to follow the school rules, and after parents conferences and meetings with guidance counselor, the kid still didn't follow the rules.
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I talked to my (now 10) son years ago that at school he couldn't even pretend to have a gun.

It's common sense in todays world that schools don't even want a hint of guns on campus.

It isn't that much of a hardship to talk to your kids about it.
ITA, I have spoken to my dses about what is acceptable play, talk and drawings for school. Anything to do with guns is not, and while they can do that stuff to their hearts content at home, school is not the place for it.
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The child is 6 years old. He didn't hurt anyone. He was playing. There was a 5 year old boy in DD's class (when she was in Kindergarten) who thought he was Batman. I think this is perfectly age appropriate and everyone involved over-reacted. No one should be suspended for waving a finger. That's just ridiculous.
I agree. He's 6, not 10. If you put your little kid (and 6 is still a little kid) in some sort of time out and issued threats of more serious punishment again and again and they didn't change their behavior would you automatically think "bad kid, better really start to teach him a lesson" or would you start to say "gee, why isn't he getting it?".

The age of the kid has to be considered when trying to determine the best way to address the problem. Suspending a 6 yo? Not particularly appropriate, nor effective IMO.
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I agree. He's 6, not 10. If you put your little kid (and 6 is still a little kid) in some sort of time out and issued threats of more serious punishment again and again and they didn't change their behavior would you automatically think "bad kid, better really start to teach him a lesson" or would you start to say "gee, why isn't he getting it?".

The age of the kid has to be considered when trying to determine the best way to address the problem. Suspending a 6 yo? Not particularly appropriate, nor effective IMO.
It would seem that the best way to address the problem is show the 6 year old, and his parents that there are consequences to repeatedly breaking the rules. That is an important lesson since its one that we will need through out our life, and 6 is not too young to learn it.
As far as why his behavior didn't change, maybe the suspension will get the parents to wake up and figure it out instead of letting it continue the way it has.
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