AP's to get 20 FP+ per quarter

[Suellen]

Originally Posted by mousermerf

Just that certain data points collected by the social media team "recently" has them rethinking how to integrate APs into the program.

Well this is hopeful.... but didn't you say earlier in this thread to mark your words it WILL happen that AP holders will get only 20 FP+ per quarter and that was because Disney is hoping to eliminate AP's all together?

It just seems so odd... because they advertise AP's like crazy on tv here. I'm so surprised that they hate us as much as you portray.

*BTW* does WDW know you speak for them on a message board? Just curious... I'd be surprised they would like someone so high up with such privileged information to be spreading it around on a non-company message board.

[Suellen]

Originally Posted by mom2rtk

My apologies for causing such exasperation.

How dare you question the Great Oz?

[mousermerf]

Originally Posted by dadddio

You keep saying that your position is based on the math, but the FP math doesn't really change regardless of whether all FPs are same-day, all are advance FP, or there will be a mix of the two.

From this post, it appears that your position is actually not based on the math, but based on your perception of what their message will be if advance FP+s are not available. I suspect the message will be something like 'None are currently available for pre-assignment.' A simple statement of fact that doesn't preclude a FP+ coming available if someone changes their plans either before arriving or once they are in the park. Nor does it restrict Disney in any way from holding back FPs until 'same day'.

I don't think they're going to hold anything for day-of - once it's gone, it's gone.

However, the mass increase in FP+ slots compared to regular FP slots will be huge. They're unlikely to sell out. On a normal day slots don't all sell out except at Soarin and Toy Story Mania. That's just two rides. Remeber that FP ticks along with time - a constant 45min or longer window and the window closes at the end of day as well.

FP+ has added the first hour of the morning to all rides, has added several rides (quadrupled the number of FPs able to be distributed really), and also allows guests to be assigned any time in the forthcoming day.

When we talk about "gone" we really mean "I can't get the rides I wanted" or "The time I want is sold out."

I worked in reservations.. do you know how many people would call and say "I want breakfast with Princesses!" at the 3-day or less mark? Then you'd find them an 11am at Cindy's and they'd say "Oh... that's not the time I wanted.." or "That's not when we eat breakfast."

So they'd not even take the slot. It'd just sit there unused. But tons of people would call and declare it "sold out" when reality the less favorable inventory was still there.

[mbrittb00]

Originally Posted by dadddio

You keep saying that your position is based on the math, but the FP math doesn't really change regardless of whether all FPs are same-day, all are advance FP, or there will be a mix of the two.

From this post, it appears that your position is actually not based on the math, but based on your perception of what their message will be if advance FP+s are not available. I suspect the message will be something like 'None are currently available for pre-assignment.' A simple statement of fact that doesn't preclude a FP+ coming available if someone changes their plans either before arriving or once they are in the park. Nor does it restrict Disney in any way from holding back FPs until 'same day'.

The math shows that there won't be enough FPs to go around (assuming everyone wants at least one of the E-ticket attractions). That's all.

Now you can either make all those avaliable for advanced reservations or hold back say half. If you decide to hold back half, then when people go to make their advanced selections, 50% of them won't be able to select one of the E-ticket attractions and will have to settle for a D or C ticket attraction for their top FP+ advanced selection. Then their park day arrives. Some of the people who already selected an E-ticket attraction as one of their advanced selections would be able to select another one. Now here is where the problem comes in. The other person who wasn't able to make an E-Ticket advance selection may still not be able to get one day of because they got in a little later to the parks, or their connection wasn't fast enough etc. And in the end someone got 2, and others get none.

[mousermerf]

During testing, a scary majority of guests chose princess meet/greets and parades/fireworks over e-ticket attractions. Those are the ones to look out for.

[mbrittb00]

Originally Posted by mousermerf

I don't think they're going to hold anything for day-of - once it's gone, it's gone.

However, the mass increase in FP+ slots compared to regular FP slots will be huge. They're unlikely to sell out. On a normal day slots don't all sell out except at Soarin and Toy Story Mania. That's just two rides. Remeber that FP ticks along with time - a constant 45min or longer window and the window closes at the end of day as well.

FP+ has added the first hour of the morning to all rides, has added several rides (quadrupled the number of FPs able to be distributed really), and also allows guests to be assigned any time in the forthcoming day.

When we talk about "gone" we really mean "I can't get the rides I wanted" or "The time I want is sold out."

I worked in reservations.. do you know how many people would call and say "I want breakfast with Princesses!" at the 3-day or less mark? Then you'd find them an 11am at Cindy's and they'd say "Oh... that's not the time I wanted.." or "That's not when we eat breakfast."

So they'd not even take the slot. It'd just sit there unused. But tons of people would call and declare it "sold out" when reality the less favorable inventory was still there.

True, but each attraction can only facilitate a certain number of people each day. Under the current system the FPs already take up a large percentage of that pie, so that number can't go up much. Also, I don't think anyone is really worred about getting a FP for the non-headliners. It's the FPs for the headliners (TSMMs, Sorains, etc. . .) that we are all worried about.

[Melodious]

Originally Posted by mbrittb00

The math shows that there won't be enough FPs to go around (assuming everyone wants at least one of the E-ticket attractions). That's all.

Now you can either make all those avaliable for advanced reservations or hold back say half. If you decide to hold back half, then when people go to make their advanced selections, 50% of them won't be able to select one of the E-ticket attractions and will have to settle for a D or C ticket attraction for their top FP+ advanced selection. Then their park day arrives. Some of the people who already selected an E-ticket attraction as one of their advanced selections would be able to select another one. Now here is where the problem comes in. The other person who wasn't able to make an E-Ticket advance selection may still not be able to get one day of because they got in a little later to the parks, or their connection wasn't fast enough etc. And in the end someone got 2, and others get none.

How many etickets do you think there are. In MK I can think of 6-9 that could be billed that way. If you don't get what you want, well lots of people try for walkups to Le Cellier too

[TDC Nala]

I read that thread and do not recall anybody saying WDW intends to eliminate APs altogether. I think it said they WOULD LIKE to eliminate APs altogether. Because the multiple-time-a-year visitor who is most likely to be local or semi-local is not what they are shooting for now, I'd guess. They're looking to get more out of the "binge" visitor. Or maybe they feel like there's a way they could get serious fans to purchase separate tickets for every visit. I don't think it's that they hate us.

[mbrittb00]

Originally Posted by mousermerf

During testing, a scary majority of guests chose princess meet/greets and parades/fireworks over e-ticket attractions. Those are the ones to look out for.

Yes, but they also knew that they could use regular FPs for the e-ticket attractions where as the others could only be gotten via the FP+ test.

[mousermerf]

Originally Posted by mbrittb00

True, but each attraction can only facilitate a certain number of people each day. Under the current system the FPs already take up a large percentage of that pie, so that number can't go up much. Also, I don't think anyone is really worred about getting a FP for the non-headliners. It's the FPs for the headliners (TSMMs, Sorains, etc. . .) that we are all worried about.

Not everyone gets a FP for them in a normal day. The number of people who have fP+ versus those in Standby will be the same.. unless the people in Standby decide to ride a "lesser" attraction that is picking up FP+.

[mom2rtk]

Originally Posted by Suellen

How dare you question the Great Oz?

Maybe Toto needs to pull back the curtain for us......

Maybe after all this, Mousemerf is really just a bus driver........

Or maybe he's Tom Staggs. Tom, I'm sure glad your boys love riding anything with "mountain" in the title. And I sure hope they don't have trouble getting fastpasses to all 3 of those in the MK on their next visit.

[mom2rtk]

Originally Posted by mbrittb00

Yes, but they also knew that they could use regular FPs for the e-ticket attractions where as the others could only be gotten via the FP+ test.

If I were in the test, I absolutely would have chosen things like Parade, fireworks and ETWB. Things I couldn't get a FP for.........

....... because I knew I could pull those during the day. If they're assuming that's what people would do in reality, without their regular FP privileges in place, then they're nuts.

[mbrittb00]

Originally Posted by Melodious

How many etickets do you think there are. In MK I can think of 6-9 that could be billed that way. If you don't get what you want, well lots of people try for walkups to Le Cellier too

At MK I would lable the following as

E+ Ticket : SpaM, BTMRR, PP, Pooh, Dumbo
E Ticket : SplM, Jungle Cruise, PoC, Buzz Lightyear

MK is the one park that will be most likely to handle this becasue there is so many attractions to go around. The other three parks on the other hand aren't so fortunate.

[Suellen]

Originally Posted by TDC Nala

I read that thread and do not recall anybody saying WDW intends to eliminate APs altogether. I think it said they WOULD LIKE to eliminate APs altogether. Because the multiple-time-a-year visitor who is most likely to be local or semi-local is not what they are shooting for now, I'd guess. They're looking to get more out of the "binge" visitor. Or maybe they feel like there's a way they could get serious fans to purchase separate tickets for every visit. I don't think it's that they hate us.

I'd be so surprised to see the number of commercials they run to get Florida residents to buy annual passes.

Mousemerf was saying in the beginning of this thread that they would like nothing more then to eliminate AP's all together and that statistically we don't spend any money there. We would have a lot more savings if we didn't spend anything at WDW!

[TDC Nala]

Of course they advertise. They'd rather have the locals in the parks than not in the parks. I just think they'd like to find a way to do it that would bring them more of a profit - not that they want the locals to go away.