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Old 01-10-2013, 09:28 AM   #1051
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I am still *hoping* that the grouping was merely for the test phase and your 3 will be any 3 you want (although I doubt they would allow duplicates).

I am still trying very hard NOT to get worked about all my "what ifs" until we get more details on the actual implementation. (But it ain't easy! )
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I have read all 69 pages so far..

and I am curious about a possibility and trying to see the positives

What if FP+ stays generally the same as current FP - different method of acquiring the FP's but the same time restrictions / availability that currently exist for all park guests. The same ability for people to acquire FP.

I will refer to the 3 FP+ you get to choose before you arrive are "Pre" FP+

What if the 3 "Pre "FP+" you pick - are If your a resort guest - or an AP holder

- this would be a great selling point for staying onsite for travelers esp. new guests or older guests or ones that don't want to do rope drop etc Or for AP's such as "what makes you return to Disney again and again? - now you have 20 "Pre" FP+ per quarter to ensure you get the magic you love when you visit.

Disney is basically saying - Plan your vacation with us - and YOUR priority for the trip - what ever that is - seeing the fireworks in a magical way, your princess meeting her FAV princess, Your teen riding Splash Mountain- the thing that YOU dream about your Disney trip - you can make come true! No more stress or worry about trying to make THAT element of your trip happen - its ALREADY PLANNED.

A lot of stress from a disney vacation comes from "will we get to do the one thing little Billy or Sue soooo desperately wants" hence Dumbo or die or we HAVE to see Belle. Disney could say " We can give you these 3 "pre"FP+ per day and you can customize your vacation to make it the most magical for your family and know before you leave home - the magic WILL happen for you - You WILL see that or Ride that- and you WON'T have to fight thru rope drop or a meet and greet line etc to get it. When you Stay Onsite the magic WILL happen for you. Relax - you KNOW when your going to do what you want to do.

Resort guests - they are a priority to Disney and after the investment in a Disney vacation, should have some way of making a big part of a of their dream vacation come true - a promise of THEIR personal dream. Disney knows its Hotels are expensive - maybe they are trying to give even MORE value in staying onsite by making the promise of the vacation people want - rather than stay onsite with these old so called perks...and take your chances of getting your dream IF you plan enough..and IF you know enough.

With the technology available today - I don't think Disney could ignore the changes. Paper tickets could not last forever. Disney saw a opportunity possibly in making the whole system better and then had the vision to make it do even more.


By not having to criss cross a park to get FP+ - Disney knows some issues for people are that its HUGE and its a LOT of walking. Many people are not prepared for that element. with FP+ - you reduce a lot of crisscross walking and time in just getting a FP. Thats valuable to a lot of people.

Easing the flow of que lines. Imagine 2 CMs - 1 person watching the FP+ lights, people just strolling buy - green light ...green light ...people just walking , no pause to look at times,to verify time etc.

Blue light - sorry sir - step right over here to speak with CM#2 - and people just keep on walking..moving the line along.

No lost FP tickets - everything is right there
No shuffing thru wallets, pockets or purses, no more " I thought YOU had them"

No more losing out on FP times
Oh no - we have FP's and we wont be back at Splash Mountain in time - before that FP was a loss for you and your family. FP+ you have the ability to go on your phone ..or to a Kiosk and say " Sorry - Sue is having a meltdown
atm and we can't do the ride or Lunch took longer than we thought - I will RESCHEDULE our FP's for later on.

That adds SOOO much more flexibility than you have with current FP's

Making Disney personalized - how often do people wear a button with " it's my Birthday" hoping for just a little more magic their way....when they scan - a cm can say Happy Birthday! To All resort guests - no need for the "inside scoop" of how and where to get a Happy Birthday button.

Entrance to the park - No more turnstyles - just walk and green light

This brings Disney up to a whole new lvl. Keeping up with the way our whole world is changing. I think its innovative to look ahead and make the changes now ...rather than play catch up later.

Yes I am sure currently adding FP+ people to the already existing Fp ques would add more congestion as its being tested. But once everything is switched over
- those same people would be competing for FP ANYWAYS. Disney makes the parks less daunting to the people who are investing the most as Disney tourist - those staying on site. Disney is investing in THEIR satisfaction in making their personal dream vacation - more of a reality. For Ap Holders - there is a reason why they are AP holder and invest in the ability to return to Disney again and again - 20 "pre" FP+ would be a way to say - Enjoy what you love the most - without the hassle. Go, Enjoy your day and know that what you want - is already planned and waiting for you.

I wonder how many first timers go and say " I would love to go on safari and see the parade in Magic Kingdom at night !! "

and travel agent or friend says - For the Safari -wake up early to be there 30 mins before rope drop to...

rope drop??

Yes - its when they Open the parks- it can get crazy but try to be up front, when the rope drops..you run up the path btw - I suggest you look up the park map online so you know the lay of the land first.

or for the parade - for a really GOOD spot - line up 60 - 90 mins BEFORE the parade - bring towels to stake out your spot.

What if Disney could provide those experiences to their guests...without that hassle - need of knowledge or stress? Now they can.

It MAY lighten up lines in the sense that people in line for princesses - instead of a 2 hour line with everyone que'd up - Now some people wont show up in that line till 1030 or 11 - knowing they already have a Fp+ time. It disperses the line.

these are just some thoughts trying to look at the postive and the whys.

fwiw - we are Local residents with Annual passes. We very rarely stay onsite anymore - maybe once every 2yrs or so. I would love to show up at Epcot with FP+ for test track- My 9yr old DD LOVES TestTrack - If we get JUST TestTrack in that day and enjoy the rest of the park - its a win for us. Knowing we Have a FP+ before we walk out the door and being able to plan around that time - is awsome.

TestTrack Fp+ is at 4pm - great lets enter at the World showcase entrance, have some lunch and stroll over to TestTrack from there! Perfect !

I suppose thats why I can understand the value - so many people have the 1 or 2 things that if they can do THAT - and then enjoy the rest of the park. Its a great day. Disney is trying to make the customers that invest the most with them have that 1-3 things that make a great day happen. Huge customer satisfaction - personalized by making everyones 1 thing...come true.

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Old 01-10-2013, 09:42 AM   #1053
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fwiw - we are Local residents with Annual passes. We very rarely stay onsite anymore - maybe once every 2yrs or so. I would love to show up at Epcot with FP+ for test track- My 9yr old DD LOVES TestTrack - If we get JUST TestTrack in that day and enjoy the rest of the park - its a win for us.
Test Track is my 9 year old son's favorite ride. In all our previous trips with the current system, we have been able to ride it 3-4 times in addition to riding everything else, and really never have had to wait more than 15 minutes in any line.

One ride FP and then deciding if we wanted to ride standby to go again is a huge net loss for us.

I see how it will benefit some people, just not our family.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:47 AM   #1054
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Test Track is my 9 year old son's favorite ride. In all our previous trips with the current system, we have been able to ride it 3-4 times in addition to riding everything else, and really never have had to wait more than 15 minutes in any line.

One ride FP and then deciding if we wanted to ride standby to go again is a huge net loss for us.

I see how it will benefit some people, just not our family.
Time to share the ride wealth!

This really is one of the greatest potential downsides of this. And I think they're missing the boat on it. For very person who LOVES Test Track and wants to ride it more than once, there's another person who loves Soarin and would gladly give up some TT Fps to do so.

This just strikes me as arbitrarily limited in the name of "fairness". But that seems to be a trend these days.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:51 AM   #1055
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You make alot of really great points. Sounds like a CM?
I have a problem with the choices. In the test phase, they let you choose from lists where you could only choose two of your favs, but maybe all 3 of your favs were on the same list. So in your Family, Johnny gets his dream, Susie gets her dream, but sorry Bobby we couldn't choose yours. Then your choice on the second list is none of the above.

Secondly, when you only go once every few years, you want to have the opportunity to experience ALL of your favs. If you are standing in line for hours because you can't get a FP, you quickly cross some of those things off the list and become a dissatisfied guest.

I think your scenario will work great for you, though.
I agree! Plus what if you have four favorites and they all happen to be popular? If you go during a busy time then you might spend way more time in line than before. WDW is expensive and personally I don't want to spend a lot of the day waiting in line.

As far as getting people to stay at resorts, that is limited too. If all of the resorts fill up then what about those who can't get a room? What about locals and people with large families or pets who for budget reasons stay offsite? And what about those who just don't want to stay onsite? (Said in defiance. )

What if you decide to book a last minute trip? I'm sure that many people do that but you'll likely find the headliner rides all booked up.
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lol I wish I was a CM !

But for now - I am simply a stay at home mom

"So in your Family, Johnny gets his dream, Susie gets her dream, but sorry Bobby we couldn't choose yours. Then your choice on the second list is none of the above."

We dont know what the available "pre" FP+ would be atm - would they be the test list we have seen - or all of them open or limits on which list?

but in the situation you supply - with 3 per day in 1 park - since resort guests are likely to stay multiple days - perhaps you could do 2 magic kingdom days - Or - maybe Johnny's dream is in Epcot on Tuesday - and Susie and bobby are in Magic Kingdom which you visit Wednesday.

I am really looking forward to more concrete information being released

Also I said at the top of my post

Fp stays basically the SAME for all guests - I.e when guests get to the park - they have the same time limits and availability as they do NOW. I did read a post from a blog that said as much ..looking very Disney official - i will try and find it.
So - for those that like to ride Test track 5 times - sure - use your FP+ on Testtrack for lets say 1pm - get there at opening, grab a FP , ride stand by , use your FP, Ride standby, grab ANOTHER FP cause time window is open now, Use your FP+ cause the time slot is open -Heck ride it AGAIn standby and then come back to ride on your Last FP time slot.
Your doing nothing really different then you do now. Your still spending the day at testrack juggling standby and FP times - you just have one additonal FP+ you planned ahead on.

Disney is making a perk for ONSITE guests and limiting them to 3 "pre"FP+- and maximizing the experiences to everything people wait for - Not just rides
but meet and greets, parades, fireworks - these PreFP+'s make the vacation for guests.

Now lets add another twist - what if ONLY resort guests got to choose certain options - lets say the Firework and parade "pre" FP+ option - i.e regular guests can choose FP+ from the Standard selection of current FP options i.e rides. But the perk to have a Firework viewing area or parade area...thats for resort guests. That further thins our the impact of "preFP+" on line ques - because their making the choices to invest in experiences. Its another Perk to staying On site - and takes nothing away from off site because it was a free for all BEFORE the FP+ anyways - its business as usual. Stake out a spot 1 hour ahead.

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In one of the other threads about fp+, it's been established via video that the 3 fp+ that you can reserve will be available to ALL guests, onsite and off.
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Now lets add another twist - what if ONLY resort guests got to choose certain options - lets say the Firework and parade "pre" FP+ option - i.e regular guests can choose FP+ from the Standard selection of current FP options i.e rides. But the perk to have a Firework viewing area or parade area...thats for resort guests. That further thins our the impact of "preFP+" on line ques - because their making the choices to invest in experiences. Its another Perk to staying On site - and takes nothing away from off site because it was a free for all BEFORE the FP+ anyways - its business as usual. Stake out a spot 1 hour ahead.
I personally believe that offsite guests should have as much access to fireworks and parades as onsite guests. It's one thing to give onsite guests extra hours but I don't agree that it's fair to limit experiences during regular park hours to only certain special people. Those offsite guests have purchased passes too and usually they pay quite a bit to do so.
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Also I said at the top of my post

Fp stays basically the SAME for all guests - I.e when guests get to the park - they have the same time limits and availability as they do NOW. I did read a post from a blog that said as much ..looking very Disney official - i will try and find it.
Fastpass stays the same for NOW, as it will take time to make FP+ available to everyone. It is very likely to be phased out completely in favor of FP+.

And the "very official" Disney Terms & Conditions say that once you are converted to FP+, you CANNOT use regular Fastpass - since you will no longer have a ticket to use in the FP machines.

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but meet and greets, parades, fireworks - these PreFP+'s make the vacation for guests.
This is not a perk for just onsite guests...the video in on of the articles has the SVP in charge of the program stating very specifically that it will be usable by everyone. However, it will be rolled out to onsite guests first and more as they work out the kinks, etc. It will likely take up to a year before total conversion.

Someone somewhere mentioned that guests at BWI might be the first to use it...
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I just don't think there will be no fp+ day of. Disney doesn't give out a lot of info because they don't want to be held to anything. But they've stated many times that guests can participate who don't like to plan in advance and people can change selections last minute.

Fp+ is not the whole game. They need as many people as possible to participate in MyMagic+. Thus they don't want people who won't book 60 days in advance to escape the system. There will probably be a push to get guests to sign up, and make fp+, when they get to the park. I think there will have to be some fps left as enticement, even good ones
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I just don't think there will be no fp+ day of. Disney doesn't give out a lot of info because they don't want to be held to anything. But they've stated many times that guests can participate who don't like to plan in advance and people can change selections last minute.

Fp+ is not the whole game. They need as many people as possible to participate in MyMagic+. Thus they don't want people who won't book 60 days in advance to escape the system. There will probably be a push to get guests to sign up, and make fp+, when they get to the park. I think there will have to be some fps left as enticement, even good ones
I am quite confident there will be day-of FP+, but how many is a question - depends what they keep in reserve vs. allowed to be booked in advance.

Less confident is whether you can get any of them if you've used your "three" already.
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I am quite confident there will be day-of FP+, but how many is a question - depends what they keep in reserve vs. allowed to be booked in advance.

Less confident is whether you can get any of them if you've used your "three" already.
I have no idea about more than 3. It seems many think that if you don't get fp+ 60 days in advance you're out of luck. I don't think that will be the case
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I have read all 69 pages so far..

and I am curious about a possibility and trying to see the positives

What if FP+ stays generally the same as current FP - different method of acquiring the FP's but the same time restrictions / availability that currently exist for all park guests. The same ability for people to acquire FP.

I will refer to the 3 FP+ you get to choose before you arrive are "Pre" FP+

What if the 3 "Pre "FP+" you pick - are If your a resort guest - or an AP holder
That's an interesting thought. A lot of your other positives are the things that keep me from being too down on the system until we know more. Since FP enforcement started I haven't used a single one because I had my 60-something mom with us on the last trip and just couldn't seem to work our days around our assigned return times without a ton of back-and-forth that her knee just wasn't up to. To me, that's a VERY attractive perk, to be able to schedule things like Soarin' that are out-of-the-way of the rest of our touring so we don't have to double back to it.

But it never crossed my mind (and now it is like "Duh, why didn't I think of that") that the new system would have room for both pre-reserved and same-day/in-park FP+ access. That would explain testing they've been doing tweaking total FP allotment and FP/standby ratios; they can't honestly think that at 3 per guest per day they need the capacity they're currently routing through the FP system, but if they plan on making FP+ available pre-arrival to certain guests and same-day to all guests the need for more FP/less standby capacity makes perfect sense. And it also makes the idea of tiered access to the pre-reservation system much more palatable, because guests who stay off-site or in value resorts aren't stuck in standby while deluxe guests fill the FP returns; it becomes something more like the 180+10, where everyone gets a shot but a certain group gets a small head start.
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I am quite confident there will be day-of FP+, but how many is a question - depends what they keep in reserve vs. allowed to be booked in advance.

Less confident is whether you can get any of them if you've used your "three" already.
This pretty much is the entire thing in a nutshell. These 2 things are "it" for me. I don't care about advance planning, I don't care about almost being required to carry a smart phone, I don't care about having to wear a bracelet.

I care about whether my ride access will be diminished. Period. And these 2 points are why.
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There will probably be a push to get guests to sign up, and make fp+, when they get to the park. I think there will have to be some fps left as enticement, even good ones
What percentage of "good ones" will make a difference?

If there are 150 (maybe 550, maybe 950, I don't know) FP's for TSM available on the day of arrival, how long will those last?

And, (just supposin') since they'll be able to be snapped up electronically, they'll
likely all be taken in less than 60-120 seconds from the "open of business" (whenever that may be.)
And, remember (as far as we have been told,) a registered guest with a larger group in their profile (say 6-10 guests) will be able to grab that larger number of those FP's in a click or two.

Is that going to make day-of guests happy?

Is there another scenario that might work?





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