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Old 12-20-2012, 10:19 AM   #16
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Why should my wait on any given day be longer then a tourist? Given appropriate planning on my part?
Because you rode that ride yesterday and they've never ridden it and will probably never ride it again while you'll also be back tomorrow...?

I'm sorry if that logic doesn't make sense to you.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:22 AM   #17
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Conversion to a RFID pass (required for FP+) is permanent and specifically excludes use of regular FP. The terms clearly spell this out on the WDW website.
Can you link to this? I don't see it anywhere on the disney website.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:24 AM   #18
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Fun with math!

Cheapest ticket a tourist can get is the 10 day, no park hopping at $31.80 per day.

Florida Resident Annual Pass (not premium, because we're talking theme parks and ride access specifically) is $452.63. If you visit 52 times in a year ("we go weekly") means you pay $8.70 per day for park access.

$31.80 >>>>> $8.70
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:25 AM   #19
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I'm not sure I follow you. So if we used the FP+ for say MK and then went over to Epcot... we would be unable to use the FP system there at all?

Or are you saying that we will no longer have access to regular FP at all?

That would be even worse.
OP is saying exactly this.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:25 AM   #20
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Because you rode that ride yesterday and they've never ridden it and will probably never ride it again while you'll also be back tomorrow...?

I'm sorry if that logic doesn't make sense to you.
No it doesn't make sense. It means I'm supposed to have longer waits because I can go more often?

What is next? An annual pass holder line that waits longer? That incorporates your logic here.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:28 AM   #21
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I personally don't consider this a perk.

That is why it isn't ENOUGH.

Well since I live far away and only get to WDW maybe twice a year it is only faur then that I get , oh lets say 80 FP's per day to make up for how "unfair" it is to me
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:28 AM   #22
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No it doesn't make sense. It means I'm supposed to have longer waits because I can go more often?

What is next? An annual pass holder line that waits longer? That incorporates your logic here.
No, most APs don't visit more than 20 FP+ per quarter would allow.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:28 AM   #23
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OP is saying exactly this.
So is Disney.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:29 AM   #24
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Fun with math!

Cheapest ticket a tourist can get is the 10 day, no park hopping at $31.80 per day.

Florida Resident Annual Pass (not premium, because we're talking theme parks and ride access specifically) is $452.63. If you visit 52 times in a year ("we go weekly") means you pay $8.70 per day for park access.

$31.80 >>>>> $8.70
Actually our annual passes are $600 we go weekly to some venue our ticket admits us to.. that may be a water park or disneyquest. PLUS no discount for our 5 and 7 year old... full price tickets when tourists get discounts on child tickets.

While we certainly pay less I guarantee we also spend more at WDW through the year then the average tourist.

So the financial factor doesn't change the fact that we are being penalized for having annual passes. Especially if that means we don't get FP's the REST of the year!!
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EDITED to save some grief for those tuning in to this old ZOMBIE THREAD:

After doing research in the time since this thread first appeared:

A great deal (most) of the so-called "inside information" in this thread was fabricated and posted with the purpose of causing arguments on the board.

Example:
The assertion that "Disney does not like AP holders, and
wants to squelch AP holders' ability to ride major attractions" is ridiculous on its face.
But, it was posted to stir things up, as this board is ripe with...
(you guessed it) AP holders.

While slivers of REAL information regarding FP+ contained in this thread MIGHT come to fruition, it is unlikely that most of the "insider information" had any resemblance to actual "secret plans" or policies being hatched by Disney brass.

At least one "agitator" responsible for stirring this pot of fabricated "policies" has been silent on this board for the better part of a month.
Only time will tell if that will remain the case.

If you wish to keep reading, have at it.
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Old 12-20-2012, 10:33 AM   #26
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No, most APs don't visit more than 20 FP+ per quarter would allow.
So there should be a local annual passholder line where you wait, what 20% longer? Would that equalize the experience?

It isn't 20 days per quarter according to this it is 5 days per quarter.

I'd be interested to know where you get the fact of "most" annual passholders only go 13 days per year. Because that is price point break even? Or is this a confirmed statistical fact?

If we have the option to maintain regular FP then we will. If we have to switch to FP+ and only get FP's 20 times per year? That will not be okay.

Of course JMHO... .I'd be interested to hear what other local APH think.
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As a sage once (or twenty times) said, lo, many moons ago,

"Leave the FP system, the heck, ALONE!"
This.
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It doesn't happen often but I 110% agree with Robo. Why mess with a good thing? It works, people are happy? I think its just stupid, but what do I know.

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Actually our annual passes are $600 we go weekly to some venue our ticket admits us to.. that may be a water park or disneyquest. PLUS no discount for our 5 and 7 year old... full price tickets when tourists get discounts on child tickets.

While we certainly pay less I guarantee we also spend more at WDW through the year then the average tourist.

So the financial factor doesn't change the fact that we are being penalized for having annual passes. Especially if that means we don't get FP's the REST of the year!!
The assertion that frequent-visit APs pay more per year to Disney in "other costs" has been proven wrong statistically/mathematically time and again. It's simply something you believe, it is not true. And that you pay for the more expensive passes with benefits above and beyond theme park admission does not mean that value goes to theme park admission. That value goes to those items above and beyond theme park admission.

You are a Florida resident who visits the parks without blackout restrictions. Your admission value is determined by the FL Resident AP dvived the number of days you visit. You cant argue that away.

Tourists ticket value per day is determined by the ticket they buy, but the cheapest they can buy is 10-day.

And here's the term, they take a while to load: http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/med...onditions.html
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Well since I live far away and only get to WDW maybe twice a year it is only faur then that I get , oh lets say 80 FP's per day to make up for how "unfair" it is to me
You can get as many as you appropriately plan for. With this plan there are days we locals/aph get ZERO. A LOT of days where we get zero.
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