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Old 12-13-2012, 01:00 PM   #16
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My son was on Focalin xr (stimulant) for about 2 years. It worked well at first, but towards the end he got very depressed and moody. He never ate and was very thin. That didn't bother the doctors, though, because he was growing.

We took him off that and put him on the non stimulant, Intuniv. He started on it last summer. The doctor said we may have to add a very low dose stimulant to it for school. That has not been the case. This has been working very well for him. He doesn't have any depression symtoms and actually eat food!

My DD has had battles with depression and the stimulant type of drugs probably wouldn't be good for her to use. Any improvement would be helpful.

Yesterday she was telling me she just thinks maybe she wasn't ready for college. But I don't want her to give up until we have tried everything we can to help her.

If she were out partying with friends, staying out late, skipping classes, and stuff like that, I would also say it was time to just quit. But she is going to classes, going to bed by 11:00 every night, not going out with friends and drinking (on weekends she may go out to eat with her boyfriend but they usually end up here watching TV and they both come with us to church on Sunday mornings). So it isn't a 'behavior' thing. There is something else keeping her from being able to handle her college classes and I don't want to give up on her yet.

BUT I don't want her going into a depression, or becoming addicted to something. It is just so very very frustrating!

We have never tried the non-stimulant type of drug. If her doctor approves on Saturday, and if she wants to give it a try, it may be worth a shot.

Otherwise, she is not going to make it through college.
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:27 PM   #17
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I just wanted to say good luck and to keep us posted. DD16 has ADD and is on Concerta- we still have problems with her not turning in assignments and not being able to explain what happened.

And DS10 has ADHD and is on Vyvanse. His grades are pretty good. He is a handful without any meds, but this summer at Vacation Bible School, they told us not to give him any meds before coming after the first day because they said he didn't eat and was kind of withdrawn. I wish there were a better solution for both my kids.

Let us know what the doctor says and what y'all decide.....
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:30 PM   #18
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It's tough, not only deciding what kind (stimulant vs non-stimulant) but then trying to figure out which one of those works. Someone else said it best -trial and error. My oldest DS is 16 and just decided this year that he does not want to take them any more. And man, it's killing him in school. Some of his teachers have talked to me about it and they've all said the same thing - it's not the material, because they can tell he knows it. It's the organization, keeping track of his papers, turning them in. I've talked to him about maybe starting a low-dose again but he's firm in refusing to do it.

Another issue we have is our pediatrician has told him that he will not prescribe meds past the age of 18. I think this is a huge factor in my son stopping, because the dr put a little pressure on him. The thing is, I don't think this is going to magically go away the day he turns 18, so we need to start thinking about that now.

Anyway, I was talking about this with my neighbor a few weeks ago. She works in a natural health store and said ther are some options there that might work for hiim. Plus she works with some essential oiils that may also be helpful. I think we're going to look into it more during the school break to see what it's about.

Oh and for the record my younger DS does still take meds. He has been tricky to find one that workd and we've tried a bunch, including the non-stimulants which just did nothing for him. He was on Focalin for a long time and it worked great with no side effects. However it didn't last long enough, so we're trying something new..... again. See what I mean about trial and error?
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Old 12-13-2012, 01:36 PM   #19
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I just wanted to say good luck and to keep us posted. DD16 has ADD and is on Concerta- we still have problems with her not turning in assignments and not being able to explain what happened.

And DS10 has ADHD and is on Vyvanse. His grades are pretty good. He is a handful without any meds, but this summer at Vacation Bible School, they told us not to give him any meds before coming after the first day because they said he didn't eat and was kind of withdrawn. I wish there were a better solution for both my kids.

Let us know what the doctor says and what y'all decide.....

Isn't it sad. There is just no easy solution. From what I know of my DD's Boyfriend's situation, he did not take ADHD meds in grade school or middle school. He did ok grade wise, but was quite hyper at times. He and his mom decided to try the concerta in high school and I guess his grades went up a lot and he was able to do well. But he doesn't always take it consistently. In fact, in August when he started college for the first time, he did start taking it every day and after a month of taking it ever day he went through a very odd personality change (what I would describe as a manic state). I think he cut back to where he only takes it during the week and not on weekends (what he was doing in high school). And he seems to be back to his old self now.

But THAT also makes me nervous, seeing what he went through...BUT he is taking a 'stimulant' drug (concerta)...so I am hoping for less mood issues from the non-stimulant type. But who knows.

Honestly, I think that college has become way to stressful for even 'regular' kids. Large classrooms (one of my DD's classes has 500 in it), everything online so no one really explaining. instructors don't have enough time to spend with students. It is SO much different than when I went to college. I now see why the small private college are so appealing if you can afford them. Wish we could.

Oh well.....we will see what her doctor says on Saturday.
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For the most part it's trial and error. My wife went through almost a dozen before finding one that worked for her.

Also keep in mind that for many with ADD/ADHD stimulants actually work the opposite way. For my wife and son, when they have something with caffeine they actually slow down and relax. My wife uses at least 1 5 hour energy drink per day and it helps calm her down and focus. My 10 year old son takes a stimulant and helps him focus.

Weird but true.
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Old 12-13-2012, 02:59 PM   #21
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For the most part it's trial and error. My wife went through almost a dozen before finding one that worked for her.

Also keep in mind that for many with ADD/ADHD stimulants actually work the opposite way. For my wife and son, when they have something with caffeine they actually slow down and relax. My wife uses at least 1 5 hour energy drink per day and it helps calm her down and focus. My 10 year old son takes a stimulant and helps him focus.

Weird but true.
Yes, that is how it is with my DD's boyfriend. But not for her. Caffeine makes her hyper. So I guess her situation is different. She just can't focus and hold her concentration.
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Westjones, your DD sounds so much like mine. She was diagnosed with ADD, then CAPD, then an Anxiety disorder. I have suspected she might be on the spectrum. She could not take Ritalin or Adderal because they made her immediately depressed and paranoid. Actually, she is not able to take any psychological or hormonal meds.

I had her on Omega 3, B Vitamins, D, magnesium, and she got through school. She has a 145 IQ so she didn't have to put out a lot of effort. After HS she did a semester at Community College and did great. Then she wanted to go to the big U and that's when things fell apart. She flunked out at the end of her sophomore year, in fact she skipped finals. She would be in her senior year now, but has been working full time since then.

She lived at home until a few months ago, and last January she went on my diet with me. It's basically a paleo diet, no grains or processed food, and (almost) no sugar. Just good quality, clean food with the occasional bit of dark chocolate. Protein, good fats, veggies. She lost some weight, which helped her depression, but the big surprise was that her inattention, mood disorder, and social anxiety improved greatly. She also got rid of her IBS. I was really optimistic about her going back to school.

She's not nearly as strict now that she's on her own, but she does stick to a gluten free diet and tries to watch carbs and sugar. Even being less strict, she's still doing much better. I guess she will let me know if she wants to try school again, but she likes her job.

So I'd say if your daughter is up for it, try a change of diet. You should know if it works for her in as little as two weeks, maybe a month. It is a hard time of year to give up sugar, but maybe right after the holidays?
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Old 12-13-2012, 03:42 PM   #23
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Westjones, your DD sounds so much like mine. She was diagnosed with ADD, then CAPD, then an Anxiety disorder. I have suspected she might be on the spectrum. She could not take Ritalin or Adderal because they made her immediately depressed and paranoid. Actually, she is not able to take any psychological or hormonal meds.

I had her on Omega 3, B Vitamins, D, magnesium, and she got through school. She has a 145 IQ so she didn't have to put out a lot of effort. After HS she did a semester at Community College and did great. Then she wanted to go to the big U and that's when things fell apart. She flunked out at the end of her sophomore year, in fact she skipped finals. She would be in her senior year now, but has been working full time since then.

She lived at home until a few months ago, and last January she went on my diet with me. It's basically a paleo diet, no grains or processed food, and (almost) no sugar. Just good quality, clean food with the occasional bit of dark chocolate. Protein, good fats, veggies. She lost some weight, which helped her depression, but the big surprise was that her inattention, mood disorder, and social anxiety improved greatly. She also got rid of her IBS. I was really optimistic about her going back to school.

She's not nearly as strict now that she's on her own, but she does stick to a gluten free diet and tries to watch carbs and sugar. Even being less strict, she's still doing much better. I guess she will let me know if she wants to try school again, but she likes her job.

So I'd say if your daughter is up for it, try a change of diet. You should know if it works for her in as little as two weeks, maybe a month. It is a hard time of year to give up sugar, but maybe right after the holidays?
Yes, that does sound like her. Hormonal meds are a huge problem, so can't take those. Even had trouble with antibiotics causing depression. Who would have thought! Lucky she doesn't get sick much.

Her doctors want her to follow a better diet, but she won't and I have enough trouble monitoring her supplements. She isn't mature enough to really take all of this on. And she has been 'getting by' up until college.

I just went onto the college site and saw that she did indeed fail her math class. No more hoping or wondering. Well she got a D, but it is a credit/no credit class and you have to get at least a 70% to pass and she had a 66%. So she will have to retake the class.

Right now, I guess we go forward one semester at a time. We aren't going to have her retake this math class until Fall 2013 because I went out to one of those 'rate your prof' sites and look through all the ones who teach that math class and found the one that sounds best for her and that prof won't be teaching it again until Fall 2013. So next semester, no math or science. Summer will probably be an English and the Art class that is required. So we will have to see if we can help her get to a better place to take on this class again.

Thanks for the suggestion. I also do think a different diet would help. I just know that she won't do it. And at 19, I don't have a lot of control over things like what she eats (even though she lives at home, she is hardly ever around for meals). I mean IF she had the mind frame of really wanting to figure out all the things that would help her be at her best, then she would try it. But her mind frame is more of one ready to give up.......and I don't want her to give up yet. She is willing to switch to the community college which we will try this summer as a visiting student to see what we all think of it.
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My DD was the same way. Could NOT tell her that diet, especially cutting sugar, might help. Then last January she just decided to do it. She was 20 at the time. Of course, I had been dropping factoids about the diet for a while, and she had seen me lose weight and feel better on it. Didn't hurt that she had a built in chef (me), that even packed lunches for her.

She sort of follows it now primarily because of the difference in her skin and keeping her weight down. And the fact that if she eats gluten, she actually gets sick. I'm not sure she totally believes in the difference in her depression etc, but I sure see it. Maybe she just doesn't want to admit that Mom was right about something, or just hates that she can't tolerate sugar! There were some major mood swings when we took her to F&W for her first time since turning 21.

I hope you find something that helps. I can tell you that soon you won't be allowed to help anymore. It hits later than for most kids, but they do get there.
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I am on what is supposed to be a non-stimulant ADD med. It's really a narcolepsy medicine (Provigil). My oldest son, who graduated college in May, has been on ADD meds off and on for years. He has Tourette's Syndrome, so had issues with taking stimulant meds.

The decision to medicate either the TS and/or the ADD was, for the most part, left up to him. Only he knew if he needed the help and he knew how the meds made him feel.

The more I look into it, the more I think I might have Executive Functioning Disorder. http://www.webmd.com/add-adhd/executive-function Not that I want another label. Meds help a little, but more as an anti-anxiety med rather than with my ADD. I literally cannot keep myself focused and organized and have always been this way. I wouldn't be surprised if my son also has it. No magic pill for that, though.

It seems that if your daughter is in college she should be in charge of her health care and any decisions that are made regarding meds, etc. I've always told my kids that I can't care about something more than they care. That went for grades, health, and anything else.

My son did ok in college once he figured out some coping skills. We tried to incorporate all kinds of hints and suggestions to make life easier when he was younger, but he wanted nothing to do with it. I weaned him from most of the hands-on monitoring from me by the time he was a HS senior, so it wasn't a total sink or swim situation when he went to college. But he did have some adjusting to do.

I hope your daughter starts to watch her diet a bit more. It won't hurt and it would probably help.
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My son is in 7th grade and was diagnosed with ADD while in 2nd. At first, Daytrana worked pretty well for him. But as he entered puberty, we hit a wall. We had been with a neurologist for 4 years and she wasn't addressing his anxiety issues and was only upping the meds. We started with a psychiatrist a little over a year ago and tried stimulants. The side effects were horrible-zombie like behavior, no appetite, depression. So, he is now on Welbutrin. It seems to be working well. His dimeanor is better and he is doing well while in class. His grades are C's, but he is still having issues with organization and handing in assignments. I must say, I prefer this med to any of the stimulants by far. I hope you find the right solution for your daughter!!
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Well DH and I just went to dinner because I wanted to talk this over with him (since we will be seeing her specialist on Saturday). DH does not want us to try and start her on anything new because of the bad reactions she has had to other things in the past.

I did try giving her some caffeine pills this semester because I read that they are similar to ritalin. She thought it was good at first then said she wanted to stop because of how it made her feel. And I guess right now she is feeling OK, but just can't focus enough to do well in her classes.

But a pill can't fix everything, and she is already taking other things for other problems (which is why we drive 4 hours to a specialist).

Thank you all for your insights. I guess we will just continue with the natural treatments and 'hope' she figures out what is best for her.
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Hi OP. I see that others have offered up a few of my suggestions but I will offer them as well. Have her try fish oils supplementation (I use whole mega by new chapter). Also remove as much artificial dye and flavorings not to mention artificial preservative from the diet. My nephew who has terrible ADHD started taking a product called N-MET with great success. I have started giving it to twins who have autism and am pleased with the results. You can look it up on the Internet and see what's in it (nothing weird) and its not too pricey either. Good luck. Hope you find what works for her.
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Hi OP. I see that others have offered up a few of my suggestions but I will offer them as well. Have her try fish oils supplementation (I use whole mega by new chapter). Also remove as much artificial dye and flavorings not to mention artificial preservative from the diet. My nephew who has terrible ADHD started taking a product called N-MET with great success. I have started giving it to twins who have autism and am pleased with the results. You can look it up on the Internet and see what's in it (nothing weird) and its not too pricey either. Good luck. Hope you find what works for her.

Thanks! I am going to research some of these natural/drug free options.
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