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Old 12-09-2012, 02:08 PM   #271
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Nope but both are valid reasons for getting a waiver.
"The religion I practice prohibits all medicine and medical intervention" validates use of the religious exemption.
"I interpret my religion saying I'm responsible for my child's well-being to exempt my child from this and only this vaccination among all other vaccinations and other medical treatments", not so much.
"I refuse to get my child vaccinated against influenza, so in compliance with the law my child withdraws from this preschool/day care until March" is the ethical alternative.
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Old 12-09-2012, 02:08 PM   #272
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Well, in my religion it states (condensed version of course) that dh and I as parents are to make the decisions regarding our children's well being. So yes, we could get 18 other vaccines and decide this one is not happening. That is our religious right.
That is just the stance here in NJ. There are many other states that allow a philosophical exemption, which would allow you to decline one or many shots.

If you write a religious exemption, be prepared to get a call from a nurse from the NJ dept of health telling you that you cannot pick and choose if you want to declare a religious exemption. You must abstain from all vaccinations. If you are willing to do that from here on out you are good to go.

If parents want the right to choose whether or not to inject their kids they need to phone their legislators and demand that they pass laws allow the choice.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:55 PM   #273
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That is just the stance here in NJ. There are many other states that allow a philosophical exemption, which would allow you to decline one or many shots.

If you write a religious exemption, be prepared to get a call from a nurse from the NJ dept of health telling you that you cannot pick and choose if you want to declare a religious exemption. You must abstain from all vaccinations. If you are willing to do that from here on out you are good to go.

If parents want the right to choose whether or not to inject their kids they need to phone their legislators and demand that they pass laws allow the choice.
People convert to different religions quite often.
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Old 12-09-2012, 07:36 PM   #274
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Rarely to avoid a single vaccination.

Just pull the child out of preschool/daycare for the winter.
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People convert to different religions quite often.
Yes, they absolutely do. However, her religious exemption could be questioned if she goes ahead and gets more shots after taking an exemption for the flu shot. I'm not sure they could deny the exemption but I know of situations where they were questioned by the dept of health if the pupil had prior vaccinations.

I get the impression if you take the R Exemption you absolutely do not get any shots. Vaccination must go against your deeply held religious beliefs, not just one particular vaccination.

What she needs is a philosophical exemption, which MI and many other states have but here in NJ we do not. There is a bill that is waiting to be voted on but it keeps getting pushed down on the list of priorities by the assembly and has yet to be voted on.
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Rarely to avoid a single vaccination.

Just pull the child out of preschool/daycare for the winter.
Doesn't matter the season. You must have this shot to get into preschool or daycare, says the law. OR a religious exemption from vaccines.
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Yes, they absolutely do. However, her religious exemption could be questioned if she goes ahead and gets more shots after taking an exemption for the flu shot. I'm not sure they could deny the exemption but I know of situations where they were questioned by the dept of health if the pupil had prior vaccinations.

I get the impression if you take the R Exemption you absolutely do not get any shots. Vaccination must go against your deeply held religious beliefs, not just one particular vaccination.

What she needs is a philosophical exemption, which MI and many other states have but here in NJ we do not. There is a bill that is waiting to be voted on but it keeps getting pushed down on the list of priorities by the assembly and has yet to be voted on.
I understand what you are saying but I don't think you are understanding what I am saying. I personally don't know of any religion that specifically states "no vaccines". Yes, there are some who don't believe in doctors at all etc. but most religions state it is up to the parents to care for their children in the best way they see fit. (again, condensed version). So it is not philisophical. It is a religious reason. If it was philisophical it would be against personally held beliefs that have nothing to do with religion. I know it is splitting hairs but that is what it is. I feel bad for those in NJ with this law. I know if I was questioned I would be less than charming with my responses.
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Yes, there are some who don't believe in doctors at all etc.
Which would be the religions for which the exemption is written. A broader, "my religion says I'm responsible for my child's well-being so I will have my child vaccinated against every single other virus/disease for which a vaccine exists and I will seek medical care for my child every time he so much as sniffles but I refuse to have him vaccinated against this one specific virus", again, not so much.

Parents who refuse to have their child get this one specific vaccination can do it without misrepresentation in New Jersey. They just can't send the child to preschool.
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The private and/or religious preschools do NOT have to accept a religious exemption.

"New Jersey has mandatory vaccination regulations, however, a child can attend public or most private schools with select or no vaccines if the parent/guardian provides a valid medical or religious exemption letter to the school administrator. Private and religiously affiliated schools may or may not accept religious vaccine exemptions, however. NJ does not currently allow parents to use a conscientious/philosophical vaccine exemption, which would change if bill A1368 passes into law."
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Ask the preschool to sign a waiver stating they will take on any and all responsibility if your child has a reaction.
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Ask the preschool to sign a waiver stating they will take on any and all responsibility if your child has a reaction.
And if the preschool says "no"? What does that get you? Heck, even if they say "yes", how does it help?
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If somebody is going to force a vaccination on your child they should be willing to take on the responsibility if your kid has an adverse reaction.

Will the preschool sign a waiver. Very unlikely but it may shut them up and let this parent make their own decision.
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If somebody is going to force a vaccination on your child they should be willing to take on the responsibility if your kid has an adverse reaction.

Will the preschool sign a waiver. Very unlikely but it may shut them up and let this parent make their own decision.
The preschool is not forcing anything, they are following the regulations set by the state.
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I have not read all of the responses so this may have already been mentioned but my son is allergic to eggs so he does not get the flu shot.
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If somebody is going to force a vaccination on your child they should be willing to take on the responsibility if your kid has an adverse reaction.

Will the preschool sign a waiver. Very unlikely but it may shut them up and let this parent make their own decision.
As luvsJack mentioned, it's not the preschool's requirement, it's the LAW. So should the preschool break the law?

Even if it was the preschool requiring the shot, they are not forcing the vaccination. Anyone can skip any vaccination they want. They just can't send their kids to preschool. Preschool is not a requirement.
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