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Old 12-07-2012, 05:22 PM   #31
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You hope your kids don't want to watch R rated horror movies when they are older?

I wouldn't have an issue with my Jr. in HS seeing those images, its real life.
So no:
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Should I keep going?
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:01 PM   #32
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So no:
Passion of the Christ
Saving Private Ryan
Rain Man
The Green Mile
Slumdog Millionaire
Good Will Hunting
The King's Speech
The Godfather
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (I think I watched this in... High School!)
Black Hawk Down

Should I keep going?
I guess not, but some of those on your list don't have gruesome images of death, which I assume is what the pp meant.
I'm pretty liberal with what I let my kids watch, my 9 year old has seen a number of R rated movies. I couldn't imagine hoping that he doesn't want to watch horror movies when he's older. I loved and still love horror movies, nothing like a good scare!

As far as the real life images shown in the OP's class, they are a part of life. I have a 15 year old dd who is a freshman, if she came home and told me about her seeing them I wouldn't be mad. That isn't to say I expect her not to be disturbed, some kids will be, some won't but as a parent its not something I'd make an issue with the school about.
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:41 PM   #33
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I think it is inappropriate and barbaric. Not all kids are the same, or share the same sensitivity to those kind of images. I was shown a couple of films like this in school and it influenced me in unintended ways. Other classmates got off on how gross it was 'Did you see that dude! He was totally sawed in half!'.

Also some kids have a different sensitivity to death and may have had family that that have died in accidents. Or may in the future. The last thing a child who's dealing with that needs is to see is horrific images of accidents. It makes you wonder for the rest of your life if that's how your love one looked, or if that's how they suffered.

Also I question how 'educational' it really is. You don't need to put a kids hand in a flame to teach them it's hot. And I believe it's possible to talk about safety with out 'shock and aweing' a classroom of students with graphic images.
This is a SPORTS MEDICINE class..And they are juniors who are getting ready to think about careers and apply to college, some of which may be thinking about a career in the medical field.They will be seniors and going out into the real world next summer.I think it is totally within the scope of a health class to show this material.. Heck they showed StD pictures and childbirth videos in highschool too.We also saw similar accident footage in health class at that age..Besides, sometimes you can talk about such things, but until you see them you don't really "get it"..I had such light and airy notions of nursing school..Before I went through the program.My first day as a student nurse on the floor I was in NO WAY prepared for what I saw
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Old 12-07-2012, 06:50 PM   #34
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In regards to the permission slip, I sent some home at the beginning of the school year for all of my HS students' parents to sign. It was just a general overview of the videos I showed throughout the year (the ones that were R) and they had the option to cross off any they objected to. We were not required by the school to do so, but it was kind of a CYA for myself when it came to parental complaints for certain movies. All students had to bring them back signed by their parent/guardian. I didn't care if the student was 18 (or 19 in a few cases) as they are seen as minors in the eyes of the school (i.e. we as teachers are in charge of your well being when you are in this building).

Before I started the begin of the year slip, I used to send one home for each movie. But that was a major pain when students didn't bring them back in time! So I switched to one general one asking for permission to view in R movies.

In regards to what was seen in this class. OP, you may have felt upset about what you saw, but honestly as a junior in HS you really need to start seeing the reality of the world around you. Viewing such tragedies effects individuals differently. Hopefully what was seen helped change even just one person's opinion on things and that will help save a life.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:48 PM   #35
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accidents scenes are not against any moral or relgious beliefs I am aware of. Accidents and people who cause them can come from any faith or nonfaith.
I find it morally wrong to use faces of death videos as an educational 'scare tactic' tool. I put it up there with with corporal punishment. Both are disrespectful. Morals are not necessarily tied to faith, but are principles of right vs. wrong.

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This is a SPORTS MEDICINE class..And they are juniors who are getting ready to think about careers and apply to college, some of which may be thinking about a career in the medical field.They will be seniors and going out into the real world next summer.I think it is totally within the scope of a health class to show this material.. Heck they showed StD pictures and childbirth videos in highschool too.We also saw similar accident footage in health class at that age..Besides, sometimes you can talk about such things, but until you see them you don't really "get it"..I had such light and airy notions of nursing school..Before I went through the program.My first day as a student nurse on the floor I was in NO WAY prepared for what I saw
I would agree with you if it was a college course, but the OP clarified it wasn't a sports medicine class but a mandatory health class. In my school (and DD's middle school) health class is the same as P.E. The OP also said that the majority of the kids were not interested in becoming doctors.

Also videos of babies/STD's are not the same as videos of people dying. It's an entirely different emotional response. Seeing a baby born may be gross but it's a generally accepted to be an emotional happy occasion, seeing an STD is gross but usually emotionally embarrassing. Yet seeing a person die can be gross but is emotionally distressing and sad. They are not the same at all. If the video is educational - what could they possibly learn about watching a club full of people burn to death? How to violently kill a lot of people?

Also there's a possibility that one of those kids may have already faced the death of a loved one. Which in the OP's class was true. It's insensitive to show videos of that nature to a kid who's possibly going through grieving. It's a delicate issue that should be shown a lot of sensitivity regardless of the age of the students.

A teacher sending a note home shows a lot of sensitivity and respect for the students and their families.
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Old 12-07-2012, 09:45 PM   #36
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I find it morally wrong to use faces of death videos as an educational 'scare tactic' tool. I put it up there with with corporal punishment. Both are disrespectful. Morals are not necessarily tied to faith, but are principles of right vs. wrong.
You mentioned religion as well. Corporal punishment? I don't even remotely understand.

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I would agree with you if it was a college course, but the OP clarified it wasn't a sports medicine class but a mandatory health class. In my school (and DD's middle school) health class is the same as P.E. The OP also said that the majority of the kids were not interested in becoming doctors.

Also videos of babies/STD's are not the same as videos of people dying. It's an entirely different emotional response. Seeing a baby born may be gross but it's a generally accepted to be an emotional happy occasion, seeing an STD is gross but usually emotionally embarrassing. Yet seeing a person die can be gross but is emotionally distressing and sad. They are not the same at all. If the video is educational - what could they possibly learn about watching a club full of people burn to death? How to violently kill a lot of people?

Also there's a possibility that one of those kids may have already faced the death of a loved one. Which in the OP's class was true. It's insensitive to show videos of that nature to a kid who's possibly going through grieving. It's a delicate issue that should be shown a lot of sensitivity regardless of the age of the students.

A teacher sending a note home shows a lot of sensitivity and respect for the students and their families.
Many people have said their health classes included similar videos of traffic accidents, etc. and there are people whose classes involved trips to the morgue for the same reason.

Maybe the club thing was a general safety thing. Or a fire thing.

If a student was upset, they were free to do something about it.

Personally, I think it's more respectful to presume that h.s. students can deal with something like that and if they can't, that they can handle THAT themselves. I don't get how it's respectful to send home permission slips before h.s. students can view films - it treats them like tiny children.
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Old 12-07-2012, 11:53 PM   #37
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True, you'd see images just as bad in a rated R horror movie, but that's why you need to be 18 and older to watch them. I hope my children don't want to watch that kind of stuff when they are older anyways.
You don't even have to go to an R rated movie for that anymore. There was a CSI last week that showed very graphic images of a man cut in half by a chainsaw. Very gross. And that's on broadcast television.
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I find it morally wrong to use faces of death videos as an educational 'scare tactic' tool. I put it up there with with corporal punishment. Both are disrespectful. Morals are not necessarily tied to faith, but are principles of right vs. wrong.



I would agree with you if it was a college course, but the OP clarified it wasn't a sports medicine class but a mandatory health class. In my school (and DD's middle school) health class is the same as P.E. The OP also said that the majority of the kids were not interested in becoming doctors.

Also videos of babies/STD's are not the same as videos of people dying. It's an entirely different emotional response. Seeing a baby born may be gross but it's a generally accepted to be an emotional happy occasion, seeing an STD is gross but usually emotionally embarrassing. Yet seeing a person die can be gross but is emotionally distressing and sad. They are not the same at all. If the video is educational - what could they possibly learn about watching a club full of people burn to death? How to violently kill a lot of people? Also there's a possibility that one of those kids may have already faced the death of a loved one. Which in the OP's class was true. It's insensitive to show videos of that nature to a kid who's possibly going through grieving. It's a delicate issue that should be shown a lot of sensitivity regardless of the age of the students.

A teacher sending a note home shows a lot of sensitivity and respect for the students and their families.
You were the one who brought up religion...this has nothing to due with that. And I do not get the correlation btw corporal punishment, something illegal in most states, and showing these videos.

The videos are an educational tool and they are everyday life. If a older teen cant handle these images, they themselves should be able to ask to be excused, they dont need mommy and daddy to get them out of there.

I guess since my dad died of a heart attack I should never view anything with a person suffering a heart attack in it, or learn about heart attacks because it might be too traumatic for me. That is ridiculous btw.
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I find it morally wrong to use faces of death videos as an educational 'scare tactic' tool. I put it up there with with corporal punishment. Both are disrespectful. Morals are not necessarily tied to faith, but are principles of right vs. wrong.



I would agree with you if it was a college course, but the OP clarified it wasn't a sports medicine class but a mandatory health class. In my school (and DD's middle school) health class is the same as P.E. The OP also said that the majority of the kids were not interested in becoming doctors.

Also videos of babies/STD's are not the same as videos of people dying. It's an entirely different emotional response. Seeing a baby born may be gross but it's a generally accepted to be an emotional happy occasion, seeing an STD is gross but usually emotionally embarrassing. Yet seeing a person die can be gross but is emotionally distressing and sad. They are not the same at all. If the video is educational - what could they possibly learn about watching a club full of people burn to death? How to violently kill a lot of people?

Also there's a possibility that one of those kids may have already faced the death of a loved one. Which in the OP's class was true. It's insensitive to show videos of that nature to a kid who's possibly going through grieving. It's a delicate issue that should be shown a lot of sensitivity regardless of the age of the students.

A teacher sending a note home shows a lot of sensitivity and respect for the students and their families.
Death and dying are parts of life, and not always pretty.Grieving is also a NORMAL human response.Sure some people handle grief differently and some not so well..But heck I know some ADULTS that don't handle it well either.Like I said they are JUNIORS In highschool, about to make career and life decisions,some of which may be in the fields of Medicine and First response, which is not all sunshine and babies..Could the school send home a note? sure, but honestly I don't see this as a big deal.I saw similar videos when I was that age and in high school .They also made us sit thru it again right before Senior prom..You can't shelter kids forever
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I went to a Catholic high school and we had to watch The Silent Scream sophomore year.

I don't have a problem with my kids watching age appropriate videos. As a junior in high school, in a sports medicine class, I think the graphic nature is fine.

As a junior, you are talking about someone who is nearly an adult.
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As a parent, no, I would not be okay with my child being shown graphic images such as that. True, you'd see images just as bad in a rated R horror movie, but that's why you need to be 18 and older to watch them. I hope my children don't want to watch that kind of stuff when they are older anyways.

It doesn't sound to me like any of those images had anything to do with driving, especially the burning people.
You can see gruesome images on regular television shows (Bones, CSI, Criminal Minds, etc) well as PG-13 movies.

In High school we saw many gruesome images from car accidents and from STDs. Think about this, the burn victim could have been burnt by an arsonist that could have been a teen or could have been a victim of a drunk driver. In Kentucky in 1988, a tragic bus crash left many victims dead or burnt. These victims were children who have had to live with their scars through these years. Unfortunately burns and other graphic/gruesome events happen in life.

If a Junior cannot handle those graphic pictures than what are they going to do if they are ever confronted with those injuries in real life??
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They're still minors and at least the school should have notified the parents. Not all families share the same religious or moral beliefs.
It amazes me how our culture gets up in arms about sex education in high school (including the acceptance of gay lifestyles or giving out condoms so that these kids who are having sex can protect themselves). But to show them graphic and intense videos of death is acceptable.
Not necessarily are they minors. Juniors can be 18 year olds and even 19 year olds. Remember there are kids that have been kept from starting school on time or have been held back.
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I would agree with you if it was a college course, but the OP clarified it wasn't a sports medicine class but a mandatory health class. In my school (and DD's middle school) health class is the same as P.E. The OP also said that the majority of the kids were not interested in becoming doctors.
In my daughter's middle school and high school, Health class is not the same as PE. One half of the semester in Middle school is spent on health and the other is on Phys Ed. In High school the kids are made to take 1 trimester of Phys Ed and 1 Trimester of Health. They are 2 different classes here. My 14 year old is in Health right now and completed Phys Ed last Trimester. She does come home and discuss the sex ed part but would not have an issue with the pictures the OP is discussing and she is actually my sensitive kid.
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I still don't "handle" graphic images well, and don't feel the least bit ill prepared because of it. If I witnessed a horrible accident that caused great bodily harm I'd call 911. A gory movie isn't going to make me any more prepared to handle the situation. My daughter is a freshman, interested in medicine as a career. Images of injuries don't bother her much, but I hope that a video of a nightclub full of burning victims always disturbs her. I don't understand the purpose of that choice and I might have, if it were my kids school, asked for clarification.
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I don't see a problem with this. You're a junior, which makes you 16 or 17. I mean, I don't see that as a big deal.
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