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Old 12-03-2012, 03:58 PM   #241
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Hang in there with the training, everyone! It is totally NORMAL to feel like crud in the last few big weeks....the race has been on your mind for MONTHS, adding mental stress (even if excitement, it is stress physiologically) to the physical stress, and it is ok to get a little tired of it all. But...we're almost there!


And a question for Charles...thoughts on trail running "equivalents"?? 2 of my last 3 long runs were trail races (using the term "race" very loosely), and of course, with technical, hilly, rocky, twisty turny trails, there is a definite decrease in pace. But, the time on my feet, moving forward with aerobic activity, is increased compared to on the road. So...I'm thinking my 4 hour 25K and my 3:45 half marathon (harder trail than the 25K) sort of "count" as about 19 and 16 miles respectively, give or take, if I tried to make it equal to the time I might have covered on the road. (oh, yeah...they were super slow...I don't want to risk an injury running down a narrow rocky trail at this point)

Of course, they are in the log book as the true distance covered.....but I think (hope?) a greater training effect was gained with the added time in motion.
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I do not have a really great formula that works well but intuitively, Training Effect (TE) = time x intensity. So a 10% higher intensity level at the same time represents a 10% increase in TE. So for a trail run one could (or at least I see) see up to a 15% increase in intensity from the higher foot lifts, lighter touches and faster turn over. Pushing a race pace on a trail would add to the increase in intensity. I guess I should also back up and say that intensity is a factor of mass moved, elevation changed and speed. (There are more variables including hydration, illness and other physiological variables) . Counter balancing the increased intensity from the tails is a possible lower time active. So there is a possibility that a race pace may deduct from the increase in intensity.

Nevertheless, I think your training equivalents are close. The delta between the two weeks is about 19%. At worse, I would say you were maybe a mile or so short on those days, but well within a training plan tolerance. You get a gold star for effort on this one! Austin trail runs are so much tougher than the ones around Houston due mostly to rocks.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:49 PM   #242
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When last I posted it was right before my surgery. I had the surgery the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, so almost two weeks ago. We've been gradually starting to walk again. I've done a couple 2 mile walks and a couple of 4 mile walks. The last one was yesterday and we managed about a 15:40 pace. I did do a little bit of a trot for about 30 seconds and while I'm clearly not ready to run yet, I can tell I'll be able to get to at least some level of running before the marathon. I think if I put some strong bindings around my chest, it will help as well. I haven't yet met with the oncologist, but am hopeful that we can delay chemotherapy until after the race and I'm feeling more confident that my surgical recovery will be far enough along to allow us to complete the run without getting swept.
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When last I posted it was right before my surgery. I had the surgery the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, so almost two weeks ago. We've been gradually starting to walk again. I've done a couple 2 mile walks and a couple of 4 mile walks. The last one was yesterday and we managed about a 15:40 pace. I did do a little bit of a trot for about 30 seconds and while I'm clearly not ready to run yet, I can tell I'll be able to get to at least some level of running before the marathon. I think if I put some strong bindings around my chest, it will help as well. I haven't yet met with the oncologist, but am hopeful that we can delay chemotherapy until after the race and I'm feeling more confident that my surgical recovery will be far enough along to allow us to complete the run without getting swept.
That's great. Best wishes for a speedy recovery (both in general and for the race).
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:22 PM   #244
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But, thought the title would get a little anxiety to surface.

Here is the deal. For the last three years the waivers have come out on a date in this week of the calendar. With any luck, the timing will not change with the fall back of the event date.

Guesses?

I am guessing Wednesday at 5 pm EST.
I am going with Dec 12th as well.
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When last I posted it was right before my surgery. I had the surgery the Tuesday before Thanksgiving, so almost two weeks ago. We've been gradually starting to walk again. I've done a couple 2 mile walks and a couple of 4 mile walks. The last one was yesterday and we managed about a 15:40 pace. I did do a little bit of a trot for about 30 seconds and while I'm clearly not ready to run yet, I can tell I'll be able to get to at least some level of running before the marathon. I think if I put some strong bindings around my chest, it will help as well. I haven't yet met with the oncologist, but am hopeful that we can delay chemotherapy until after the race and I'm feeling more confident that my surgical recovery will be far enough along to allow us to complete the run without getting swept.
Great job!!!! Pixie dust for recovery!!!

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Old 12-03-2012, 07:01 PM   #246
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Pixie dust please.....

Not race related and really non-Disney related.

As many know, the company I work for has a division office in Maitland, Fl. Maitland is on the north side of Orlando. After we merged with the company that owned the Fl assets, my job duties took me to the MCO area at least monthly for a 3-4 year period (thus the knowledge base for all the run ideas and since my boss said stay anywhere as long as the hotel title did not have Disney in it - (I love the Marriott Village just across I4)). As a result of all my trips to MCO, I have run almost every path published by Disney and created several paths that Disney probably wishes I would not publish. I am also known well enough by the Boardwalk guard staff so that they allow me to park and run at the resort, even though they are not really allowing this to occur any longer before 6 AM.

Recently our company was acquired by another firm and I have been a lost ship in my new and very reduced responsibilities. It is to the point that I have been actively looking for better opportunities. A couple weeks ago a job was posted in our Maitland Office. It is a totally different path for me, but one that I was on 20 years ago.

I have an interview in the next couple weeks. Hopefully, without jinxing the path forward, the position reports to a person who I have a great working relationship with. We spoke today to firm up my desire to move forward in the interview process. I guess I am looking for a little pixie dust (and prayers) to help smooth out the process and for guidance on making what I think will be the the inevitable decision. I really must get past the thought of "wouldn't it be really neat to live 5 minutes from Disney."

Thanks for reading....
Finally got around to seeing this. I hope everything goes according to plan for you. Good luck!

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Pixie dust Coach and Zelly!


Survived my 18 miler this weekend. Not too sore afterwards. The foam roller is my friend - thanks for the tip.

Sat down to put shoes on today for my run tonight and flipped them over to see my wear pattern. They are worn almost totally smooth under the ball of my foot. They don't have 200 miles on them. Is it really time to replace them? I meant to get a second pair by now.

I'm hoping bib numbers come out this week, but not counting on seeing it until next week.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:26 PM   #248
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Last year, the site was created 12/6 at 8:22 am. The race code was w12wdw. This information is found on the index page of the trackshack, disneysports page: http://www.trackshack.com/disneysports/

So guess we may have another week till they come out is my opinion.
Hopefully, their IT folks have learned how to prep in a sandbox rather than live on line again. It was a bad experience a couple years ago when they had the bib data up and live but still had bugs on the shirt side of the data.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:32 PM   #249
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Survived my 18 miler this weekend. Not too sore afterwards. The foam roller is my friend - thanks for the tip.

Sat down to put shoes on today for my run tonight and flipped them over to see my wear pattern. They are worn almost totally smooth under the ball of my foot. They don't have 200 miles on them. Is it really time to replace them? I meant to get a second pair by now.

I'm hoping bib numbers come out this week, but not counting on seeing it until next week.

Yikes! Without knowing more I would say that you should have replaced shoes a while back. Generally the tread does not wear smooth during the useful life of the shoe. It does not mean it will not happen. I would take them to the running store and have someone watch your gait, just to be sure.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:27 PM   #250
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Sounds like you need to find one. I would look for an orthopedic doc who specialized in sports...one who takes care of a few high schools or CFU. They are more likely to treat you as an athlete rather than a hobbled weekend warrior. Not giving medical advice, I would consider a cortisone shot (assuming no major issue). This will kill the inflammation and allow you to complete the race. The timing now would also possibly allow a follow up injection for the Princess if needed. Hopefully, this with a pittle PT and you will not remember the issue.

In the interim, head to the sports store and grab a neoprene knee brace. They have some with velcro anchored straps above and below the knee to keep the brace in place. These are not the monster braces you see for NFL linemen, rather a sleeve with possibly a small amount of bracing. The brace will provide compression through the day and help the knee feel better.

I guess with any luck, I will be shopping for docs in the near future. Let me know who you find.
Thanks for the advice! I will look into an Orthopedic doctor. I wonder how I would find out who takes care of high schools...I'm going to call around. The idea of a shot freaks me out. I think I would push through the pain for the 5k but might have to go for it for the half. How long does the shot last? (meaning how long before the half would I have to get it).

And I am definitely going to get a knee brace...silly question..do you run with it on too?

And I will let you know what I find!

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Last November my husband ran the Celebration Health Founder's 10K, I was nursing an ankle injury so I spent some time walking around the booths they had set up. I stopped in and talked to the docs at the Florida Hospital Sports Medicine and Rehabilitation booth. I thought they were extremely helpful and knowledgeable. I can't vouch for them in a patient/doctor setting, but I feel like I got more value from them during about a 10-15 minute free consultation then I have gotten from my personal ortho in numerous appointments. If they were closer, I definitely would have made an appointment with their group. They have a lot of offices throughout Orlando including one in Celebration. Hope your knee heals quickly!
I will have to look into them too! Did it seem like they were at the race just because it was a Celebration Health race, or did they seem to know running injuries? Thanks!


Oh, and I guess I need to call my insurance company, but do I have to have a referral from my primary doctor to go to these places/orthopedic docs?
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:41 PM   #251
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Thanks for the advice! I will look into an Orthopedic doctor. I wonder how I would find out who takes care of high schools...I'm going to call around. The idea of a shot freaks me out. I think I would push through the pain for the 5k but might have to go for it for the half. How long does the shot last? (meaning how long before the half would I have to get it).

And I am definitely going to get a knee brace...silly question..do you run with it on too?

And I will let you know what I find!



I will have to look into them too! Did it seem like they were at the race just because it was a Celebration Health race, or did they seem to know running injuries? Thanks!


Oh, and I guess I need to call my insurance company, but do I have to have a referral from my primary doctor to go to these places/orthopedic docs?
I have one for the issue I am dealing with. My ortho quit supplying braces to runners who do not exhibit a structural issue (i.e. a torn ligament). I know from past experiences that DonJoy makes bracing that would last a lifetime. I purchased the 'Reaction' brace from Better Braces. I did run with this brace and am currently trying to titrate off the thing. It works well, though the liner tends to make the brace feel like it is slipping when one stands around pre-run. One could get away with something like their performer patella support. Though I would wait for the doc before going the brace route. The ones that work well on the run will have a strap of some sort that helps keep the thing up.

You may need a referral, depending on your insurance plan. Fortunately, my insurance allows direct contact with a specialist. We had a plan 10 years ago that required a referral and it was a pain. I snapped a metatarsal and had to go through the family doc first. He sent me to the ortho asap.
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Thanks for the advice! I will look into an Orthopedic doctor. I wonder how I would find out who takes care of high schools...I'm going to call around. The idea of a shot freaks me out. I think I would push through the pain for the 5k but might have to go for it for the half. How long does the shot last? (meaning how long before the half would I have to get it).

And I am definitely going to get a knee brace...silly question..do you run with it on too?

And I will let you know what I find!



I will have to look into them too! Did it seem like they were at the race just because it was a Celebration Health race, or did they seem to know running injuries? Thanks!


Oh, and I guess I need to call my insurance company, but do I have to have a referral from my primary doctor to go to these places/orthopedic docs?
I had a cortisone shot once. It was definitely worth it. It was a little bit painful and numb for a couple hours, but in about 2 weeks I felt a lot better. I was in a lot of pain and that was my doctor's suggestion!
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Ugh. So upset. My CW-X tights popped on the seam over my hiney during my run yesterday. Thank goodness it was dark!!! LOL I guess it's a year and done for these things?

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Ugh. So upset. My CW-X tights popped on the seam over my hiney during my run yesterday. Thank goodness it was dark!!! LOL I guess it's a year and done for these things?

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That's a fault (so to speak) with the CW-x tights. I still wear them for longer runs but now reserve them for longer runs, only. Too many seams holding lots of stress. My first failure was on the adductor tape seam (the one running crotch area to the knee). Fortunately, it was near the end of a run and was only a couple inches long as I got into the car. When I got home it was a lot longer. I had a second failure on the inseam. Funny, both were on clothing 9-12 months old.

I Used to run their products through the washer and occasionally they would make drier. Definitely do not want to machine dry. I have also switched to hand wash.
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That's a fault (so to speak) .
I see what you did there, LOL

I always wash them in the gentle cycle and hang to dry. I'm thinking they just don't last more than a year. I can use them for my shorter runs and just sew up the seam as I have a few pairs that I circulate. I do prefer the thickness of the performx compared to my revolution tights so it just sucks.

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