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Old 11-19-2012, 05:05 PM   #271
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New Grads do not have that luxury. You have to take what you can get until you get enough experience to get a better job with better hours. The job market is not the same in the entire United States and New Grad Nurses are not in a position to be choosy in my area. I did 16 hour shifts for an entire year before I left for greener pastures. A lot of hospitals are not willing to pay for orientation of a new grad since it takes 12 weeks or so. It is costly.
I have been a RN for almost 15 years. I have never worked anywhere union and have never seen conditions as you have described. I have worked all over the south including in states not known for always providing the best work conditions. What part of the country are you in?
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:15 PM   #272
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Unions increase their demands, until they finally break the camel's back. It's why, companies are leaving the U.S...and taking their jobs with them.
I agree with this however at the same time people have mortgages and other expenses and can't continue to have their salaries slashed. There has to be a happy medium for everyone.
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:34 PM   #273
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I agree with this however at the same time people have mortgages and other expenses and can't continue to have their salaries slashed. There has to be a happy medium for everyone.
Unfortunately, there's not always a happy medium. Companies also have leases, mortgages, and other expenses, beyond their control. If, the company cannot prosper, there is no profit. If, there is no profit, there is no incentive to invest. Not warm and fuzzy, but it's reality.
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Old 11-19-2012, 06:40 PM   #274
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Nonsense, companies lay people off at the end of the year because it gives their balance sheets a boost by showing that their liabilities are smaller compared to their profits. It's the same reason you see auto dealers hawking cars as Xmas presents, even though I've never know a single person that has ever given/received a car as an Xmas gift... They just want the inventory off their books show they can show a lower liability level at the end of Q4.

Happens every year, recession/depression or not.
Inventory & employees are two entirely different things. And moving inventory often means working OT, not cutting staff.
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:17 PM   #275
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Not sure if its been posted but i guess both sides agree to mediation...
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:42 PM   #276
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:45 PM   #277
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:50 PM   #278
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:31 AM   #279
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Not sure if its been posted but i guess both sides agree to mediation...
I don't think they agreed to it, I think the bankruptcy Judge ordered them to mediation.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:39 AM   #280
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Losing your job will not make paying the mortgage easier.

There is greed with all parties, shareholders, executives, management, workers and the union. Until all see that it is better to compromise jobs will continue to go overseas.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:41 AM   #281
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I don't think they agreed to it, I think the bankruptcy Judge ordered them to mediation.


You are correct. The judge should not be telling them they must accept mediation.
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Old 11-20-2012, 07:59 AM   #282
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I have been a RN for almost 15 years. I have never worked anywhere union and have never seen conditions as you have described. I have worked all over the south including in states not known for always providing the best work conditions. What part of the country are you in?
I am in the Southeast.
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:08 AM   #283
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FALSE. I am a nurse and my last job required 16 hour shifts with no break. Here is the USA. And neither the doctor nor the nurse should have to do that.In fact, I was not allowed to use the bathroom unless another nurse was in the building and I was the only one there. So I was breaking the rules to even go pee. And THIS is why the place is seeking out the union. AMongst other things.


You know how many more patients probably die from medication errors when tired health care workers make mistakes? Probably a lot I would venture.
Where in the world did you work? I have plenty of friends who are in the healthcare field and this is the first I've heard of this. They are mandated to take a 30 minute lunch (clock in and out...).

AND.... residents are not allowed to pull 24 hours anymore. The max is 18 hours and it has to be justified.
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Losing your job will not make paying the mortgage easier.

There is greed with all parties, shareholders, executives, management, workers and the union. Until all see that it is better to compromise jobs will continue to go overseas.
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You are correct. The judge should not be telling them they must accept mediation.
I think the ideal goal of bankruptcy court is to prevent bankruptcy; by ordering continued attempts at mediation (which, likely, the judge legally can do), his goal is to get the company to continue to operate.
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Old 11-20-2012, 08:23 AM   #285
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You are correct. The judge should not be telling them they must accept mediation.
Actually, I think it is the law if they are trying to file for bankruptcy. You have to have exhausted all possible options before bankrutpcy can proceed.

Sort of what has happened to some individuals who attempted bankruptcy, because they didn't want to pay their bills, not because they couldn't afford to pay them. The Courts look at that and tell folks they can't file bankruptcy,they have to pay this bills.
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