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Old 11-17-2012, 12:30 PM   #211
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Don't know what you got till its gone I guess. Everybody wants to gripe and complain about how terrible a company or CEO is until they don't have one to gripe about. Then you start thinking "man, wish I had someone willing to write me a paycheck".

I own a small business and I know first hand how ungreatful workers can be. Even when you do sacrifice in hard times. As soon as you are becoming prosperous the minute you stick your hand in the till to claim what you deserve as the business owner and risk taker you get a dirty look from everyone. There are so few people that say "hey she owns this place she can do that". Most people rip me apart as greedy and say "we'll we deserve more!"

No you don't. Period. You dropped out of high school, got your GED and now you're on a factory line. You don't deserve NEARLY the amount of money the top guys earn. If you did everyone would be dropping out of school. What would be the incentive to EVER work harder to better your life? Want a piece of the pie? Work for it.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:40 PM   #212
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I just thought of a great business idea for some of those soon to be unemployed but motivated bakers. How about a company that creates retro snacks that have REAL ingredients? Twinkies with real ingredients, preservative free and called something else. Cupcakes, zingers, etc. They can all look like them and taste the way they USED to taste in the 70's. As long as they came up with a new name, no problem with legal issues.

Whole foods I'm sure would stock these and they could be bought for premium -- there are people out there that would buy them, trust me. Maybe not a lot of budget minded people but those who are willing to spend money on real food.

I would buy it! Food is one thing we don't really have a budget for we live in area when most of the year there are tons of farmers markets with fresh fruits and veggies so I rarely buy any of that in the store. We also only buy meat from a butcher and only hormone free and grass fed. Heck I spend 10 bucks a week on a gallon a fresh apple cider. Like I said we try to eat healthy heavy protein veggie meals but I don't deny my children treats. HFCS is small amounts is not going to kill them at least I hope not!
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:05 PM   #213
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He runs a major company what do you expect!! It could be anyone of us if that was the path in life we had taken. Would you be equally as appalled if this were you or a family member? All this faux outrage is so silly when not a single one of us would turn that type of money down simply based on principle.
Somehow I doubt there'd be that much outrage from someone if they were the more successful ones, or their children were.........
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:08 PM   #214
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Being unemployed doesn't mean the person/s have or will ever have any need for social welfare programs.

And you do not pay one single cent of tax or any other money for or towards any displaced worker's/workers' unemployment compensation.
really? Exactly where does that money come from? unemployment insurance is a tax, paid for ultimately by workers and consumers. It's a bit complicated so let's just look at the current federal benefits...

Paid for, 100% by taxpayers of every single state in the union.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:09 PM   #215
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really? Exactly where does that money come from? unemployment insurance is a tax, paid for ultimately by workers and consumers. It's a bit complicated so let's just look at the current federal benefits...

Paid for, 100% by taxpayers of every single state in the union.
Unemployment insurance is 100% employer-paid. Has since the inception of the Federal Unemployment Tax Act in 1939. Before that there was nothing.

It's a cost of doing business.

Changing your complaint from "I as a taxpayer..." to "I as a consumer..." won't fly. There are many, many indirect costs that 'you the consumer' finance as the result of purchasing a product or availing yourself of a service, that 'you the taxpayer' don't.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:30 PM   #216
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:53 PM   #217
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I doubt it. What bakery do you think made them?
Sara Lee bakes Walmarts rip off Twinkies. And they are unionized.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:56 PM   #218
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Don't know what you got till its gone I guess. Everybody wants to gripe and complain about how terrible a company or CEO is until they don't have one to gripe about. Then you start thinking "man, wish I had someone willing to write me a paycheck".

I own a small business and I know first hand how ungreatful workers can be. Even when you do sacrifice in hard times. As soon as you are becoming prosperous the minute you stick your hand in the till to claim what you deserve as the business owner and risk taker you get a dirty look from everyone. There are so few people that say "hey she owns this place she can do that". Most people rip me apart as greedy and say "we'll we deserve more!"

No you don't. Period. You dropped out of high school, got your GED and now you're on a factory line. You don't deserve NEARLY the amount of money the top guys earn. If you did everyone would be dropping out of school. What would be the incentive to EVER work harder to better your life? Want a piece of the pie? Work for it.
I think comparing a corporation to an indivdually owned business is comparing apples to oranges. I have no problem with an individual owner enjoying the fruits of his or her hard work, you are right, THEY have risked their own money, sometimes, even their own homes........but a corporate CEO isn't risking any of their own money, he is risking the money of stockholders, which is usually folks like you and I, and these days, often the employees of the corporation.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:18 PM   #219
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Unemployment insurance is paid by employers, but the cost goes up astronomically if an unemployment claim is made and blamed on the company for whatever reason...(layoffs, etc.) If the company is already out of business that cost will be shifted to all the remaining companies in the state still paying into the system with a higher base tax rate. There is no free money pile laying around to pay these claims.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:23 PM   #220
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I look at how things have changed in my mom's lifetime, she's 89, and I kind of think maybe the western world needs to reset it's priorities.

My mom grew up on a farm with no running water, no electricity, no telephone. My Grandfather actually used a horse to pull a plow and pull a combine to harvest his wheat crop. No tractors. They had a cow for milk, chickens for eggs, a vegetable garden than my Grandmother canned the vegetables from to eat in the winter, and bought only the things they couldn't grow or make themselves. They had everything they needed to survive.

Now, most Westerners expect to have a big screen TV, central heat and air, a nice car, a smart phone, and I know a few that actually can not cook and buy every meal prepared for them.....and few others that send all their laundry out rather than wash it themselves.

Our society created a lot of jobs than have for years actually paid more than the value of the work provided by the worker. A huge issue here right now in California are public sector jobs, some that allow you to work 30 years, retire with full medical benefits and a decent pension as young as 48. A lot of these folks are going to spend more of their lives retired than working. These situations have allowed people to buy more luxury items than the value of labor actually was worth. An issue in my community was a strike by grocery store clerks.....retirement was a big part of the strike, this is a private company where you can retire as young as 55 with full benefits and a pension.....but pay was a factor. Is dragging groceries across a scanner a skill actually worth $21 an hour 6 days a week, and $42 an hour on Sundays and Holidays?

Now the chickens are coming home to roost. Other nations are ramping up their industrial production as we are ramping ours down. They are doing it by paying wages that more than meet the cost of life necessities, but are a fraction of our inflated wages. This issue is frequently discussed over on the Cruise Line Forum......staff on cruise ships making very little by our standards......but that amount in a month is equal to what they could earn in a year at home.
So I suspect we're all going to have to scale back on our toys, and most of us will fight it. But what's more important, that smart phone, or feeding and clothing your family.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:31 PM   #221
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just my 2 cents... i haven't eaten a twinkie since probably 1984 or so. i don't like them. But my fruit pies!!! i'll miss them sooooo much!

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Old 11-17-2012, 03:40 PM   #222
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Sara Lee bakes Walmarts rip off Twinkies. And they are unionized.
Yeah but to buy them you'd have to shop at Walmart, which the term anti-union doesn't even begin to cover.

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I look at how things have changed in my mom's lifetime, she's 89, and I kind of think maybe the western world needs to reset it's priorities.

My mom grew up on a farm with no running water, no electricity, no telephone. My Grandfather actually used a horse to pull a plow and pull a combine to harvest his wheat crop. No tractors. They had a cow for milk, chickens for eggs, a vegetable garden than my Grandmother canned the vegetables from to eat in the winter, and bought only the things they couldn't grow or make themselves. They had everything they needed to survive.

Now, most Westerners expect to have a big screen TV, central heat and air, a nice car, a smart phone, and I know a few that actually can not cook and buy every meal prepared for them.....and few others that send all their laundry out rather than wash it themselves.
Again, I think this is geography more than chronology.

There are still people that live like this, or close to this.

My grandma, older than that, didn't grow up or live anything like that. The only things she ever grew were decorative potted plants. Never canned a thing. Sent her laundry out all the time, etc.

Yes, life and technology changes but this idyllic farmy life is specific to place more than time and I don't think it's at all reflective of values, but just of happenstance of lifestyle.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:46 PM   #223
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just my 2 cents... i haven't eaten a twinkie since probably 1984 or so. i don't like them. But my fruit pies!!! i'll miss them sooooo much!

I used to love them, too. Haven't had one in years. I might try this recipe sometime, though:

http://www.thecookingphotographer.co...fruit-pie.html
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:28 PM   #224
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Yeah but to buy them you'd have to shop at Walmart, which the term anti-union doesn't even begin to cover.
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As a West coaster, Walmart is a relatively new option in my life. I go into a Walmart, I go into a clean, well lit store, and there are employees on every aisle working, and if I look confused they ask if they can help. They look happy to be there. When I go to the biggest chain in the area, which is the only store still ahead of Walmart in total sales here, I go into a dirty, dark store and I see unhappy employees.
Walmart has been a godsend to the unemployed here, especially those with disabilities.
As my wife nephew discovered after 10 years at Walmart, he quit and moved to a union job in a chain, Walmart pays less per hour, but they reward you with profit sharing in the form of stock. His paychecks are bigger now, but at the end of the year, his total compensation is about $5,000 less.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:48 PM   #225
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