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Old 11-17-2012, 10:48 AM   #196
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$100,000 a month??
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:51 AM   #197
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Considering the 300% doesn't apply to what happened to the people in charge this past week, that isn't germane to this latest... incident.

In any case, they weren't "asking". They were telling.

Employees are subservient to the managers and owners. If you want to work for company X, you go by their rules or wages. If you don't like them, quit.

Pretty simple concept. If you don't agree with taking a 8% cut in pay while the CEO took a cut down to $1, then quit. If that's "unfair" go work for a fair company...

Oh wow, here is a novel concept, why don't YOU (collectively, anyone who thinks this) start your own company and run one how you see fit?

10-1 by the time you put in all the time, effort, stress and work you won't feel the same.



Again, why would someone want to work for a group of people like that? It doesn't make any sense.



"Entitled"? Do you even know what that word means?

They OWN / run the company. It is THEIRS. There is no "entitled" to it. They can do what they want with their THEIR company.

The only people feeling entitled were the striking workers. Looks like they learned a lesson. Consequences.

$48,000 for a receiving clerk with a HS diploma... there are areas in this country where a Nurse with a 4 year degree doesn't make $48,000 a year.

I'm surprised hostess stayed in business this long. Maybe you're right, the managers and CEO's were idiots. No one with any sense would pay a receiving clerk 48k a year.

FYI the Teamsters were telling the Bakers union to capitulate and take the 8% cut. Bakers union wouldn't budge. Consequences.
According to your very own reasoning in your former post, if the guy making 1 dollar thought he deserved more than that he would have left, right?

Anti union people will blame the unions. Always. Regardless of all of the other obvious problems with the company. This company was circling the drain regardless of the strike or not. And not because of the 8% the bakers wanted.Because it was poorly run and the money was poorly managed, and let's face it, sales of crap food have not maintained like they used to. There are a lot of reasons this company failed, it is extremely short sighted to solely blame the union. There is plenty of fault here to go around. That is blatantly obvious.
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Old 11-17-2012, 10:52 AM   #198
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$100,000 a month??
The poor guy must have been suffering with such low pay. Vomit.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:10 AM   #199
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$100,000 a month??
Rayburn arrived in March. As your article noted, in April he lowered it to $1 a month until the end of the year, so I am not sure he even received one month of that salary. He is a turn-around expert, which is what the company needed much earlier, imo.

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Old 11-17-2012, 11:26 AM   #200
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The poor guy must have been suffering with such low pay. Vomit.
He runs a major company what do you expect!! It could be anyone of us if that was the path in life we had taken. Would you be equally as appalled if this were you or a family member? All this faux outrage is so silly when not a single one of us would turn that type of money down simply based on principle.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:28 AM   #201
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The Teamsters are pointing at the BCTGM for failing to negotiate in good faith for the benefit of their members and the continued livelihood of the other Hostess employees:

http://www.teamster.org/content/team...t-vote-hostess

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Teamster Hostess members were allowed to decide their fate by voting on the final offer conducted by a secret mail ballot. More than two-thirds of Hostess Teamsters members voted with 53 percent voting to approve the final offer.

The BCTGM chose a different path, as is their prerogative, to not substantively look for a solution or engage in the process. BCTGM members were told there were better solutions than the final offer, although Judge Drain stated in his decision in bankruptcy court that no such solutions exist. Without complete information, BCTGM members voted by voice votes in union halls. The BCTGM reported that over 90 percent rejected the final offer and three of its units ratified the final offer.
Failing to give an accurate, realistic financial picture of the company and the right to vote via secret ballot was a disservice to the members that pay the salary of the BCTGM.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:42 AM   #202
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:45 AM   #203
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A Twinkie or treat every now and then is not going to kill you!! I wonder how many on here who are complaining about the nutritional aspects of Twinkies gorge themselves on free dinning in WDW or all the unhealthy food choices WDW offers. Both of my kids are super active and eat very healthy but are allowed some sort of small treat each evening maybe some cookies , snack size piece of candy, ice cream, or some sort of Little Debbie or snack cake thing and neither are diabetic obese or have teeth falling out of their mouth from sugar rot. Moderation is the key and many people practice just that and our right to feed out children what we want should not be infringed upon.
But why not choose treats that are not filled with chemicals and preservatives? There are choices out there and if those are too expensive just make your own and freeze them. It's not that hard and it makes a fun activity to do with the kids.

Imagine a cake or cookie that has REAL butter, actual sugar, cage free eggs, real vanilla, NO PRESERVATIVES! Has your family tasted such a cookie? They are very good!

Here is what is in a twinkie:

http://globalgrind.com/music/what-is...siness-hostess

Also, OT but one huge gripe I have about WDW is the junk they put in their baked goods. So unhealthy and really just poison.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:47 AM   #204
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But why not choose treats that are not filled with chemicals and preservatives? There are choices out there and if those are too expensive just make your own and freeze them. It's not that hard and it makes a fun activity to do with the kids.

Imagine a cake or cookie that has REAL butter, actual sugar, cage free eggs, real vanilla, NO PRESERVATIVES! Has your family tasted such a cookie? They are very good!

Here is what is in a twinkie:

http://globalgrind.com/music/what-is...siness-hostess
Even with all of that, I doubt that a few twinkies will hurt anyone. Like the other poster said, I imagine that Disney's baked goods are also full of all kinds of interesting things.
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But why not choose treats that are not filled with chemicals and preservatives? There are choices out there and if those are too expensive just make your own and freeze them. It's not that hard and it makes a fun activity to do with the kids.

Imagine a cake or cookie that has REAL butter, actual sugar, cage free eggs, real vanilla, NO PRESERVATIVES! Has your family tasted such a cookie? They are very good!

Here is what is in a twinkie:

http://globalgrind.com/music/what-is...siness-hostess

Also, OT but one huge gripe I have about WDW is the junk they put in their baked goods. So unhealthy and really just poison.
I am an awful baker so not from my kitchen but we do get stuff from a local bakery so maybe. I would love to have the time and ability to make those types of things. I can however cook so we don't eat prepackaged foods so I guess in my mind it kind of balances things out.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:08 PM   #206
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Hostess demise can be laid at the feet of way too much debt in takeover restructuring, horribly out dated products, and bad management. Seriously, their plan to save the company was
Wait for it.
Wait for it.
BOOM!!!! BANANA FLAVORED TWINKIES!!!!!
Ah. You mean the original Twinkie.

I fail to see the humor.
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Old 11-17-2012, 12:13 PM   #207
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See, that's the problem with how we all think. If we were truly honest with ourselves, we would admit that everyone out there really is "greedy" because everyone out there wants to turn a profit or make more money. If you honestly disagree, ask yourself if you are willing to make enough money to pay rent (not mortgage because there is no need to own if you aren't investing or wanting to turn a profit) and bills. And by bills, I mean electricity and water; cable and phone are just excessive and not required to live.
The FCC would disagree with that point of view. A telephone is a necessity; having worked for a telephone company, I know it's considered a lifeline service.

Hard to call 911 in emergencies otherwise.
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So an employee with a high school education chooses to work as an independent contractor? I don't think so. My state just kept Linda McMahon from becoming a senator and one of the biggest gripes was that her wrestlers in the WWE were paid as independent contractors even though it's a physically taxing job.

As for the companies that did leave, they probably had no intention of staying. They were just trying to put the onus on someone else and some people still fall for that.
WWE = World Wrestling Entertainment. Many entertainers are, effectively, Independent Contractors - even actors paid millions of dollars per movie.

As for companies that move operations overseas, they're responding to our demands. We want "it" as inexpensively as possible, but we expect high compensation for our work. You can't have both. If people are willing to pay $10 for something that takes a half hour to make, and the total cost to manufacture that item in the United States is $15 - but in Asia it's $4 - where would you make that item?

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I am an awful baker so not from my kitchen but we do get stuff from a local bakery so maybe. I would love to have the time and ability to make those types of things. I can however cook so we don't eat prepackaged foods so I guess in my mind it kind of balances things out.
I just thought of a great business idea for some of those soon to be unemployed but motivated bakers. How about a company that creates retro snacks that have REAL ingredients? Twinkies with real ingredients, preservative free and called something else. Cupcakes, zingers, etc. They can all look like them and taste the way they USED to taste in the 70's. As long as they came up with a new name, no problem with legal issues.

Whole foods I'm sure would stock these and they could be bought for premium -- there are people out there that would buy them, trust me. Maybe not a lot of budget minded people but those who are willing to spend money on real food.
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Doesn't affect me*, I don't own stock in them and personally, I feel their 'food', if you can call it that, contributes to all sorts of diseases and chronic conditions.

Then again, just like if someone wants to work a low paying job, I think people should be allowed to eat whatever they want. Even if I think it's 'poison'.

*beyond the fact as a taxpayer, now I'll have to pick up the tab for many of these people going on unemployment and social welfare programs.
Being unemployed doesn't mean the person/s have or will ever have any need for social welfare programs.

And you do not pay one single cent of tax or any other money for or towards any displaced worker's/workers' unemployment compensation.
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