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View Poll Results: Will Starbucks coming to the Magic Kingdom effect your visit
Ye it will and I plan to never visit the Magic Kingdom again 1 0.74%
Yes it will, but I will just walk past it and not go in 25 18.52%
Don't care either way 20 14.81%
No it's just a coffee shop/ bakery that happens to sell strabucks 89 65.93%
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:43 AM   #16
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Will this change make me not visit MK? Of course not. But will I visit the Starbucks? Nope. And I once religiously visited the bakery.

From I read, all Starbucks products were being brought in. Food and all. I can get that crap any time. Maybe items will be available in the park, but it's not the same. And even if the place is themed like they say I bet there will be Starbucks logos all over the place. And I don't like that.

I agree with Pete. There's a big difference between a building being sponsored by a company and becoming a location of that company. Since I'm pretty sure we can't stop Starbucks from coming, I'll just speak with my wallet and not visit the location.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:27 AM   #17
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I find it funny that official Disney press releases keep coming out "tempering" the original Starbucks announcement. Toning it down or explaining the Starbucks decision with more details.

Maybe the "preserve Main Street" crowd is making a difference?
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:45 AM   #18
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I find it funny that official Disney press releases keep coming out "tempering" the original Starbucks announcement. Toning it down or explaining the Starbucks decision with more details.

Maybe the "preserve Main Street" crowd is making a difference?
Maybe they realize that they should have done a better job in their original press release to describe their plans. Maybe they also should have known more about their fan base.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:42 AM   #19
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I find it funny that official Disney press releases keep coming out "tempering" the original Starbucks announcement. Toning it down or explaining the Starbucks decision with more details.

Maybe the "preserve Main Street" crowd is making a difference?
I don't think that is it. A subset of Disney fans tend to get all melodramatic and whiny about change and then completely over react before they even see what is done by the company. The original press release was aimed at normal people who would read it and see that Starbucks is going to have a presence in a bakery on Main Street. They wouldn't jump to conclusions about what that presence would be and assume it meant that the entire bakery would be replaced by a standard Starbucks location.

Instead, this subset of fans jumped to the worst possible conclusion despite not only having no evidence to support it but having evidence to the contrary (ie: the locations in other parks). So Disney had to justifiably roll their eyes, do a double facepalm, and then rewrite a press release to ensure these folks that the sky was not falling and Walt will not cause an earthquake by rolling around in his grave for the millionth time.

Maybe it will be a disaster, maybe it will be a well themed Disney bakery, staffed by CMs, that happens to sell some Starbucks coffee and some other baked goods. I'll wait until it is done and opened before I wail and gnash my teeth.

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Old 11-15-2012, 08:43 AM   #20
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I don't think that is it. A subset of Disney fans tend to get all mellow dramatic and whiny about change and then completely over react before they even see what is done by the company. The original press release was aimed at normal people who would read it and see that Starbucks is going to have a presence in a bakery on Main Street. They wouldn't jump to conclusions about what that presence would be and assume it meant that the entire bakery would be replaced by a standard Starbucks location.

Instead, this subset of fans jumped to the worst possible conclusion despite not only having no evidence to support it but having evidence to the contrary (ie: the locations in other parks). So Disney had to justifiably roll their eyes, do a double facepalm, and then rewrite a press release to ensure these folks that the sky was not falling and Walt will not cause an earthquake by rolling around in his grave for the millionth time.

Maybe it will be a disaster, maybe it will be a well themed Disney bakery, staffed by CMs, that happens to sell some Starbucks coffee and some other baked goods. I'll wait until it is done and opened before I wail and gnash my teeth.
You probably mean melodramatic. /grammar.
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You probably mean melodramatic. /grammar.
Haha, yep. Thanks.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:03 AM   #22
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Maybe they realize that they should have done a better job in their original press release to describe their plans. Maybe they also should have known more about their fan base.
You've hit the nail right on the head my friend. Even after their update they've still left a lot of questions hanging out there. They've simply got to get better at identifying what's important and how to communicate based on the level of importance.
You can't tell me they thought they could simply gloss over this announcement without a reaction. Somebody had to know this backlash was coming. IDK...Maybe I'm giving them too much credit... <shruggs shoulders>
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Maybe it will be a disaster, maybe it will be a well themed Disney bakery, staffed by CMs, that happens to sell some Starbucks coffee and some other baked goods. I'll wait until it is done and opened before I wail and gnash my teeth.
But why wait until it's done and possibly a disaster? MAYBE because of the whiny fan reaction Disney re-thought the plan a little. Maybe the worst case scenario was the plan and they face palmed themselves realizing that wasn't the way to go. I know that isn't likely, but it's possible. I don't see anything wrong in saying something while it still has a chance of making a difference rather than waiting around until it's done to gnash my teeth and regret not speaking up before it was too late.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:58 AM   #24
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I don't look at it from the angle of hysterical WDW consumers who jump to conclusions. I see a World Class Media company doing a rotten job announcing this change. How about an artist rendering of the inside and outside? Calm the fears that the MK Main Street won't look like my towns Main Street.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:27 AM   #25
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People who go to Disney parks do not, I would assume, experience them strictly intellectually or logically. They experience them emotionally. They go to laugh, to cry, to scream, to wonder. They go to make memories with friends and family. They take photos of experiences, and they treasure those photos and memories forever. They become emotionally involved.
First, thank you for the kind words. As to your point on emotional attachment, I agree, but I believe that far too many people cling to an emotional attachment based on a reality that never existed. The MSB has changed corporate sponorship numerous times. Why was it OK to have a big Sara Lee sign out front, with Sara Lee baked goods served inside, but now it is not OK to have a Starbucks sign out front, with Starbucks goods inside. It is this selective emotional attachment that I resist. People apparently pick a select moment in time, and then anchor that in cement as the foundation for their emotional memory. Why is the MSB of November, 2012 the only MSB that counts? The "legacy" MSB looked like this:


People claim to not want change, but the MSB has changed many times over already. So why are all the other changes good ones, but this particular change is bad? Why do people think that the refurbishment will be a disaster when no one raised a stink about this?


If you haven't yet listened to Pete's rant, please do. He assures us that the people at DL would NEVER put up with this change. But the picture above is of DL.


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Therefore, they react emotionally when they hear news of change. They think "How badly could this change go?" Then they think updates of Journey Into Imagination, or Spaceship Earth, or Mission to Mars, and they realize that it could go horribly, horribly wrong. Am I, or Pete, wrong? Could it go horribly wrong? We all know the answer.
As to "What could go wrong", I think that I laid out that the worst case scenario would be an urban Starbucks. But that isn't going to happen and we all know it. It is going to be something far more in line with what exists now. The same? No. Agreeable? Probably. But it is difficult to use Spaceship Earth and Journey Into Imagination as example of what could go wrong. While certain nostalgia buffs may not think of those updates as improvements, rest assured that there are millions of visitors who enjoy those attractions as their memories and would hate to see them changed. The Old Guard can bark all it wants about how these changes were for the worse, but that is merely their opinion, and the changes have not stopped people from queing up and enjoying themselves. Personally, I thought the original Journey Into Imagination was an incomprehensible glop of crud. The current version? Better, but still in need of a fresh look. So one cannot simply look at the past and predict doom for the future. I don't know why it is so difficult to put a bit of faith in Disney to trust that they aren't going to transform turn-of-the-century Main Street into
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First, thank you for the kind words. As to your point on emotional attachment, I agree, but I believe that far too many people cling to an emotional attachment based on a reality that never existed. The MSB has changed corporate sponorship numerous times. Why was it OK to have a big Sara Lee sign out front, with Sara Lee baked goods served inside, but now it is not OK to have a Starbucks sign out front, with Starbucks goods inside. It is this selective emotional attachment that I resist. People apparently pick a select moment in time, and then anchor that in cement as the foundation for their emotional memory.

People claim to not want change, but the MSB has changed many times over already. So why are all the other changes good ones, but this particular change is bad? Why do people think that the refurbishment will be a disaster when no one raised a stink about this?

If you haven't yet listened to Pete's rant, please do. He assures us that the people at DL would NEVER put up with this change. But the picture above is of DL.

As to "What could go wrong", I think that I laid out that the worst case scenario would be an urban Starbucks. But that isn't going to happen and we all know it. It is going to be something far more in line with what exists now. The same? No. Agreeable? Probably. But it is difficult to use Spaceship Earth and Journey Into Imagination as example of what could go wrong. While certain nostalgia buffs may not think of those updates as improvements, rest assured that there are millions of visitors who enjoy those attractions as their memories and would hate to see them changed. The Old Guard can bark all it wants about how these changes were for the worse, but that is merely their opinion, and the changes have not stopped people from queing up and enjoying themselves. Personally, I thought the original Journey Into Imagination was an incomprehensible glop of crud. The current version? Better, but still in need of a fresh look. So one cannot simply look at the past and predict doom for the future. I don't know why it is so difficult to put a bit of faith in Disney to trust that they aren't going to transform turn-of-the-century Main Street into
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:52 PM   #28
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Yes it will, I'll be Way happier with my Latte in hand. I personally think the Bakery is the wrong location for the Starbucks. I would have walked back to New Fantasyland for my latte. I'm excited that I don't have to suffer with awful coffee anymore. I was thrilled to get my Starbucks at DCA and will be thrilled to get it at the MK too.
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:24 PM   #29
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Will it affect my Magic Kingtom experience.... not in the least

It's a retail location that will now sell something different than what it sold before.
Personally, I love Starbucks coffee

My only mini-gripe is that I'll now have to walk back to Fantasyland to get my cinnamon bun (latte in hand) - I should probably RUN considering the calories in that yummy pastry
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@JimmyV, very, very well said. People are resilient and will get used to change. Good coffee is NOT a bad change and I just don't see Disney going the usual every neighborhood design of the coffee house.

It WILL fit with the theme of Main Street and I have a feeling that the lines will be even longer to get anything other than Nescafé in the parks. Bakery items will still be had at the Starbucks locations. I'm not quite sure I understand the negative connotations of this change.
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