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Old 11-11-2012, 12:48 PM   #361
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If you take a look at the article they say, refurbishment and opening as SB location. It pretty much means closing of MSB. They use same location, they have same use for this location but they put a new business there. It is like one store closing and another opening in a same building. Same use, different store.
They also say that new location using SB menu with Disney favorites. It does not mean all Disney selection will be offered, just favorites. It is pretty clear that this is not an addition of SB products to MSB, but the other way around, keeping some Disney products at a SB location.
No, it is not clear considering that Disney has precedent for this in DL which is different from what you are envisioning.

The hysterics over this issue are killing me. How about everyone take a deep breath and wait and see. This will be going forward, so there is no use in freaking out.
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Old 11-11-2012, 12:53 PM   #362
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If you take a look at the article they say, refurbishment and opening as SB location. It pretty much means closing of MSB. They use same location, they have same use for this location but they put a new business there. It is like one store closing and another opening in a same building. Same use, different store.
They also say that new location using SB menu with Disney favorites. It does not mean all Disney selection will be offered, just favorites. It is pretty clear that this is not an addition of SB products to MSB, but the other way around, keeping some Disney products at a SB location.

You can interpret it that way but I don't (based on what they did at DL). I guess we will need to wait and see.
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Old 11-11-2012, 01:05 PM   #363
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You can interpret it that way but I don't (based on what they did at DL). I guess we will need to wait and see.
I don't interpret it, it is clear from article, the only official word on it. You cannot really base it on other parks, they are different, example Indiana Jones is a ride at DL but show at WDW.
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Old 11-11-2012, 01:13 PM   #364
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I don't interpret it, it is clear from article, the only official word on it. You cannot really base it on other parks, they are different, example Indiana Jones is a ride at DL but show at WDW.
Ya, ok.
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Old 11-11-2012, 01:27 PM   #365
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Ya, ok.
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Old 11-11-2012, 01:39 PM   #366
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I don't interpret it, it is clear from article, the only official word on it. You cannot really base it on other parks, they are different, example Indiana Jones is a ride at DL but show at WDW.
So if the Bakery re-opens looking like the photo in post #168, are you going to say that:
  1. You were wrong;
  2. Your interpretation of the article was wrong; or
  3. The article itself was imprecise?
I really don't think you can take the overly simplified press release as gospel. It wasn't written in anticipation of settling a 30 page debate on the Dis.

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Old 11-11-2012, 01:47 PM   #367
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Trying to be the voice of reason here - little children will not die.

Change is very hard for many people to accept easily and/or willingly. But, in the grand scheme of things, changes to the Main Street Bakery are miniscule compared to changes that could be implemented at WDW.

This is not like they are taking down the monorail, or Cinderella's Castle. They are making business minded changes to an eating venue only. The pastries can be found in other venues in the same park, and there will even still be many original pastries and treats sold in the newly refurbished Starbucks sponsored location.

They are introducing a new corporate sponsor, which IMHO certainly helps keep WDW solvent.

If individuals are not happy with the new bakery when it reopens, then don't go there. There are other options within the park, or outside of WDW even. But please keep things in perspective and try to keep an open mind.
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Old 11-11-2012, 01:56 PM   #368
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So if the Bakery re-opens looking like the photo in post #168, are you going to sat that:
  1. You were wrong;
  2. Your interpretation of the article was wrong; or
  3. The article itself was imprecise?
I really don't think you can take the overly simplified press release as gospel. It wasn't written in anticipation of settling a 30 page debate on the Dis.
I never was at DL so I cannot say how different place is now from what they had before and therefore cannot really say if it is more themed SB or MSB with SB offerings. If those pictures are exactly what they open at WDW then it is what article says, themed SB. Does it look to you anything like what we have at WDW? I guess not. It may not look like NYC SB, it is themed but it is not MSB except it is in a same spot.
I have no reason to question official word, even if article is only 5 sentences long and those 5 sentences are pretty clear, no interpretation needed, MSB closing for refurbishing to be open as something else, SB location. Of course anyone is free to speculate their own ideas but it does not negates official info we have.
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Old 11-11-2012, 01:58 PM   #369
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The actual "Main Street Bakery" title isn't going anywhere... for those that are assuming that "Starbucks Coffee" will replace MSB in terms of title and signage... you're far off base

Now... for those that are fearing the loss of their beloved cinnamon rolls, ice cream sandwiches, and other MSB specific items... I can understand your concern and hope that Disney continues to offer those items throughout the park. I know it certainly doesn't make it "ok"... but it does appear that Disney is at least "trying" to accommodate i.e. offering the cinnamon rolls and chocolate croissants at Gaston's Tavern as well as the ice cream sandwiches at Sleepy Hollow.

For those arguing the introducing of "outside" brands into the park is un-Walt like, disappointing, and so against Disney traditions...seriously? How often do you see 20oz bottles of Coke, Diet Coke, Dasani, or Sprite lining stroller cup holders, pockets, or if you're like me... displayed from a sweet, shoulder souvenir strap that looked way cooler on display than actually on you? What about Club Cool at Epcot... home to the infamous Beverly taste testing? Frozen Coke anyone?

So can someone tell me what the difference is between a 20oz Coke bottle and a Venti Starbucks cup that at least features the Disney Parks logo? Clearly I'm missing something here. For those that feel that need to argue the "appearance" on Main Street... I again remind you... NOTHING is changing in regards to exterior name and design. No neon "STARBUCKS COFFEE" heading... though perhaps a slight engraving similar to DCA's... which will most likely go unnoticeable by most guests.

The MSB is closing for a roughly 6mo rehab... whether or not this was to introduce Starbucks branding... one should be more interested in the idea of the space being better suited to handle crowds and lines. If Disney's working to provide me a better product (such as Starbucks coffee over NesCafe) in a more crowd suitable atmosphere... while preserving the nostalgia of the Main Street Bakery... I support that.

Honestly... this just seems so "small" to me. Disney World has far bigger, more impacting plans in their near future. DHS and AK show closings, potential Avatar additions, DHS expansions, etc... and THIS is 25 pages long?
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I never was at DL so I cannot say how different place is now from what they had before and therefore cannot really say if it is more themed SB or MSB with SB offerings. If those pictures are exactly what they open at WDW then it is what article says, themed SB. Does it look to you anything like what we have at WDW? I guess not. It may not look like NYC SB, it is themed but it is not MSB except it is in a same spot.
I have no reason to question official word, even if article is only 5 sentences long and those 5 sentences are pretty clear, no interpretation needed, MSB closing for refurbishing to be open as something else, SB location. Of course anyone is free to speculate their own ideas but it does not negates official info we have.
I don't think I have ever seen someone take Disney's word as so black and white before.
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I never was at DL so I cannot say how different place is now from what they had before and therefore cannot really say if it is more themed SB or MSB with SB offerings. If those pictures are exactly what they open at WDW then it is what article says, themed SB. Does it look to you anything like what we have at WDW? I guess not. It may not look like NYC SB, it is themed but it is not MSB except it is in a same spot.
I have no reason to question official word, even if article is only 5 sentences long and those 5 sentences are pretty clear, no interpretation needed, MSB closing for refurbishing to be open as something else, SB location. Of course anyone is free to speculate their own ideas but it does not negates official info we have.

So your answer to JimmyV would be that you wouldn't admit you are wrong if it turns out that way.
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:14 PM   #372
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I love Starbucks.

But I love MSB more.

Very disappointing to read this MSB is one of our favorite snack stops...
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Old 11-11-2012, 02:15 PM   #373
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So your answer to JimmyV would be that you wouldn't admit you are wrong if it turns out that way.
Nice try, can we not interpret my posts, please. If it turns exactly as DL pictures, article is right and so am I, unless you haven't been at MSB for a long time and do not remember what it looks like.
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Nice try, can we not interpret my posts, please. If it turns exactly as DL pictures, article is right and so am I, unless you haven't been at MSB for a long time and do not remember what it looks like.
But it won't look exactly like the DL pictures. The reason that particular location looks the way it does is because it's themed to THAT area. The blog post even said that they will be appropriately themed to their areas so I'm a little lost as to how people are thinking this is going to look like your normal friendly neighborhood Starbucks when Disney has even SAID that it won't.
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I don't get why people are up in arms over the cinnamon rolls. Yes they are huge but to me they are too sweet. My mom makes better cinnamon rolls.

I have a feeling that the interior will look very similar to before. The CMs will still be wearing turn of the century inspired costumes and they will still be Disney CMs.

Lets save the histrionics till they unveal the finished area and menu.
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