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Old 10-29-2012, 12:46 PM   #31
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What do you call it?

I call it "no big deal" since I wouldn't have even noticed, if you hadn't said something. Most of us don't have the technology you used, nor would we have bothered.
Why even point this out??
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:51 PM   #32
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The Captain was very, very, very lucky the ship didn't capsize.

What a nightmare that must have been for passengers (including crew).

Thank goodness no one went overboard or was injured.
I, too, was on this sailing. I talked with several Cast Members that said, if you thought this was bad, don't ever sail across the Atlantic. They said that this was nothing compared with what they experienced bringing the ship to the US from Germany.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:53 PM   #33
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in the article it quoted a passenger saying that while he was in his room, a huge wave hit and the furniture slid across the room. Isn't everything bolted down? I have been on the Wonder twice and thought everything was, but am I wrong? I was on the Wonder during hurricane Isabel and that was pretty bad, but nothing like Sandy. I hope everyone is ok!
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:07 PM   #34
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Looks like a mess on the ship though. I hope everyone stays (stayed) safe.

I must say....I went back and watched again
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:09 PM   #35
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in the article it quoted a passenger saying that while he was in his room, a huge wave hit and the furniture slid across the room. Isn't everything bolted down? I have been on the Wonder twice and thought everything was, but am I wrong? I was on the Wonder during hurricane Isabel and that was pretty bad, but nothing like Sandy. I hope everyone is ok!

Nope. You can move the stool in front of the desk anywhere you want, the coffee table...or whatever it is they have on the new ships.....chairs in the larger rooms......not bolted down. Not to mention items on the desks and nightstands. And in the suites there are a LOT more items to go flying. Knick-knacks, glasses (wine and water glasses) and other decor.
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Like everyone, I Regret the passengers went through this. I've been through some bad oceans too.
But since you claim to know wave energy characteristics and ship ballast specs, and i'm curious, I'll ask. Exactly what size wave would reliably capsize the Fantasy???


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Goofy4tink. Had any of us been warned AHEAD of time or told to stay in our rooms before hand we probably would have lashed everything down. By the time we were aware of the enormity and told anything we could not even move across the room.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:14 PM   #38
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my second though after thinking it was crazy to try and and go back to PC was why didn't they go up the other coast and dock in Tampa instead? Not their normal terminal but for safety sake they have changed terminals before
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:21 PM   #39
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I too was there.

For all of you that said "it wasn't that bad" or "there was no danger" you are absolutely wrong.

In the morning, and in line, several cast members were talking with us about eating in their space (deck 2) and all the dishes coming out and hitting them, breaking all over the floor. Two said they were crying and one said he was screaming. Those who had been on the Atlantic crossing said Sandy was much much worse. Deck four was closed because of the waves coming over the side.

The captain did not come on the loudspeaker until 1 and 2 AM respectively. The first one was to tell us that we were experiencing more "motion" than they thought. The second (after the three giant waves that sent the furniture, dishes, glasses, everything on the desktops and on any flat surface crashing onto the floor) was that "the ship is safe" and "stay in your stateroom". When we were trying to grab things to keep them from flying, and I was literally walking UPHILL in my cabin like I was on a treadmill with angles you can set. The jackets on the posts were swinging 30 degrees each way.


My father (Cocoa native) tracking the boat on a maritme satellite website (we found out Saturday when we had lunch), and it reported 75 knot headwinds and waves of 12 meters. (39 feet). We hugged the coast of DR and Cuba then came up the East side of Florida hugging the coast. We moved more slowly - 10/12 knots at first then aftermidnight picked up to 15 knots to try to get home.

I have to say, I'm a Disney lifer. I was born in Orlando in 1971 and have been to the parks many times a year since then. In all the time I have ever been at Disney, I have never felt that there was a decision made that would compromise safety. And I also believe that the waves were way worse than expected. By the time the crew knew how bad things were, there was no way to turn back. However, I think the drive to get us back into port (and offloaded so a new group of paying passengers could embark) in this case overrode a decision that could have been made out of an abundance of caution. Yes we're all OK. Yes the most damage was on the ship - you should have seen the duty free liquor/perfume part of the stores, the smell was hideous - but what we went through, I feel like we were not as "safe" as everyone seems to think we were.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:47 PM   #40
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Not trying to be argumentative, but really? It's amazing how many people are second guessing a well trained and surpremely experienced captain. Uncomfortable ride? Probably. Dangerous? Doubt it..unless you decided to leave your cabin and walk around. Besides...if I had doors crashing like that, and I had been told to stay in my cabin I would have taken that time to put everything away....there wouldn't be anything in my cabin to fly around. Things would have been stowed.
It amazes me to see how many people think that was a horrible decision on the captain's part.

Trust me, if you've never had the misfortune to sail in a storm of any magnitude, you have no idea. We were awakened in the middle of the night during a storm (not a hurricane like Sandy) and there was no way we could have safely walked around the room putting away all the things that could go flying, hit us, and injure us. In a suite, especially, there's a lot of glassware....not only decorations, but wine glasses and water glasses....all kinds of things. During the storm we were in, the patio door flew up out of its track, and my husband and I had to fight the wind and the curtains being sucked out the door, to get it back into place and pray the next time it popped out, the glass wouldn't shatter and spray us with shards. What could have been done ahead of time to either predict that would happen, or to do something to prevent it???? Disney is just DARN LUCKY that it was in the middle of the night, or there would have been a TON of injuries. And being the last night, most people had packed up all of their belongings, so they didn't have personal items flying through the rooms.

And it's exactly BECAUSE the Captain is so experienced, that they shouldn't have been sailing directly into a hurricane in the first place. If the other cruise lines made the decision that it wasn't safe to sail into it, then why didn't Disney??
Ane there WERE injuries....lots of them. Most of them were crew members, but I've read a lot of reports by now, and have heard about passengers also, with cuts, sprains, and bumps on the head.

What amazes me more than anything is the denial of "Disney lovers". If it were a Carnival ship that had been the lone wolf, sailing directly into a hurricane, the DIS Boards would have gone wild tearing them to shreds.
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Old 10-29-2012, 01:52 PM   #41
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Trust me, if you've never had the misfortune to sail in a storm of any magnitude, you have no idea. We were awakened in the middle of the night during a storm (not a hurricane like Sandy) and there was no way we could have safely walked around the room putting away all the things that could go flying, hit us, and injure us. In a suite, especially, there's a lot of glassware....not only decorations, but wine glasses and water glasses....all kinds of things. During the storm we were in, the patio door flew up out of its track, and my husband and I had to fight the wind and the curtains being sucked out the door, to get it back into place and pray the next time it popped out, the glass wouldn't shatter and spray us with shards. What could have been done ahead of time to either predict that would happen, or to do something to prevent it???? Disney is just DARN LUCKY that it was in the middle of the night, or there would have been a TON of injuries. And being the last night, most people had packed up all of their belongings, so they didn't have personal items flying through the rooms.

And it's exactly BECAUSE the Captain is so experienced, that they shouldn't have been sailing directly into a hurricane in the first place. If the other cruise lines made the decision that it wasn't safe to sail into it, then why didn't Disney??
Ane there WERE injuries....lots of them. Most of them were crew members, but I've read a lot of reports by now, and have heard about passengers also, with cuts, sprains, and bumps on the head.

What amazes me more than anything is the denial of "Disney lovers". If it were a Carnival ship that had been the lone wolf, sailing directly into a hurricane, the DIS Boards would have gone wild tearing them to shreds.
This is so true
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Old 10-29-2012, 02:13 PM   #42
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The Captain was very, very, very lucky the ship didn't capsize.

What a nightmare that must have been for passengers (including crew).

Thank goodness no one went overboard or was injured.
Ships the size of the Fantasy are built to withstand huge waves (upwards of 100-150 ft) head-on. As long as the ship has propulsion, she's generally safe. While the ride through rough seas may have not been an ideal vacation scenario, the ship's officers were on the ball ensuring the ship was in no real danger.

DCL and other cruiselines all have protocols and procedures to ensure the safety of the vessel and its passengers and crew.
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Old 10-29-2012, 03:00 PM   #43
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I have no doubt it was scary. I know that some people were injured with bumps and bruises. I cannot see the real danger that any one on the ship would have been in. Like said in a previous post the Fantasy is made to withstand very large waves. I have no doubt that some people were utterly terrified and had the thoughts that they were in danger but that's the human reaction to any sort of danger. The same feeling you may get will avoiding a deadly car crash could have been felt while on a bumpy ride like this.

If I were on this ship it wouldn't change my mind about going on another cruise. If it was Carnival, Royal Caribbean or any other cruise line it wouldn't change my mind. I might not travel during Hurricane season but I would go on another cruise Its a privilege that so few in this world really get to enjoy.

I mean no disrespect to anyone, these are my thoughts and my opinions.

I did wish for the safety of everyone on board.
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Why even point this out??
Probably to let people know that it's not safe for work? Trying to help? Like Robo does every day he's on the Dis.
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Not trying to be argumentative, but really? It's amazing how many people are second guessing a well trained and surpremely experienced captain. Uncomfortable ride? Probably. Dangerous? Doubt it..unless you decided to leave your cabin and walk around. Besides...if I had doors crashing like that, and I had been told to stay in my cabin I would have taken that time to put everything away....there wouldn't be anything in my cabin to fly around. Things would have been stowed.
It amazes me to see how many people think that was a horrible decision on the captain's part.
The Captain told the guests the seas would be a "little rough", and to be sure to use caution when walking around the ship. He did not tell us to stay in our cabins until things were totally out of control around 1:00 AM.
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