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Old 10-27-2012, 01:20 PM   #61
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We have been in two bad storms (one a tropical storm) on the Magic and nothing extra was offered to us. We like sailing in October, so storms are to be expected. The captain is really very busy during storms, so I don't think we can expect lengthly reports. I agree that I'd rather be on rough seas than in an airplane! Welcome home and now you have a great story!
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Old 10-27-2012, 01:24 PM   #62
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The '05 DVC Member Cruise docked in Port Everglades because hurricane Ophelia was near/at Port Canaveral. We never experienced anything like you described. I wonder how the decision is made as far as going to a different port. Whoever was our Captain...I have to thank him very much after the fact! Thank you, Captain!
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Old 10-27-2012, 01:33 PM   #63
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We were on The Fantasy late April and the captain was Marco from the Venice Italy area. We too had a near tropical storm the first night. Next day deck 4 was closed all day. Can't begin to imagine how scary it was for these folks.
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Old 10-27-2012, 01:34 PM   #64
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Given that the rough seas were at night, they might have thought it would be OK since everyone would be in their cabin and less chance of injury.

I do agree that DCL could not make the majority of people happy with any call they made about this storm. Everyone is safe and back on land. That is the ultimate outcome.
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Old 10-27-2012, 01:43 PM   #65
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It was a terrible night! We were all the way up front and everything was flying around the room.
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Old 10-27-2012, 01:54 PM   #66
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Has anyone heard any information about when the Fantasy may leave today? From what I'm reading they may have a tough time getting the ship in shape to head right back out. Glad to hear everyone is safe, we've had rough seas before on the Wonder but nothing like that. Hoping the best for those who experienced it and the best for those getting ready to head back out.
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:15 PM   #67
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An inexperienced person would probably reach that conclusion. A captain with DECADES of experience on the sea could look at the same report and say, "No problem. It might get a little rough but the ship can handle it."

That same captain could wind up, since nature is not exactly predictable and can often change quickly, finding out later that decision was not the best one. At that point the ship is in the storm and, depending on its location, may have no other choice but to push on.

We are not privy to what information the Captain and ship's officers had, nor what conversations occurred, prior to the decision to push on to PC.

Could a mistake have been made here? Sure.

Do we know a mistake was made here? Not at all.

Could the Captain have been fooled by that fickle temptress, The Sea? Sure.

Bottom line, we are arm-chair quarterbacking decisions made by people far more experienced than ourselves.

But, if you think about it, the Captain of the Concordia made a "mistake" too, using the logic here. And look what happened.

Either way you look at it, these Captains KNOW how to avoid "mistakes".

I've sailed once in a full-fledged hurricane (on Disney) and once in a storm that was so bad, it bounced the sliding door to the stateroom out of its track. Miserable.
On Disney, during the hurricane, the Captain did everything to avoid the hurricane, including diverting us. So they DO know....and they have so much technology, we almost can't imagine what they have at their disposal, to know what the storm is going to do. There's no excuse at all for heading to port. None.
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:16 PM   #68
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Do they still give seas condition on the TV in the stateroom?

Wave height and MPH winds? I love data like that.

So sorry you had such a rough night.
I remember a very rough ride on the Magic and honestly, I thought the ship was going to break in half!
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:17 PM   #69
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It was a terrible night! We were all the way up front and everything was flying around the room.

We were in a forward-facing cabin (not DCL) during a terrible storm. The rooms on the lower decks (but still decks 8 & 9) had waves flying over the front of the ship and slamming into their balcony doors. Our room, on Deck 10, was shaken and bounced so badly that the balcony door came up out of its track and flew open.
Forward is the PITS during a storm!
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:19 PM   #70
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But, if you think about it, the Captain of the Concordia made a "mistake" too, using the logic here. And look what happened.

Either way you look at it, these Captains KNOW how to avoid "mistakes".

I've sailed once in a full-fledged hurricane (on Disney) and once in a storm that was so bad, it bounced the sliding door to the stateroom out of its track. Miserable.
On Disney, during the hurricane, the Captain did everything to avoid the hurricane, including diverting us. So they DO know....and they have so much technology, we almost can't imagine what they have at their disposal, to know what the storm is going to do. There's no excuse at all for heading to port. None.
Agree 10000000 percent . No excuses
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:20 PM   #71
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Firstly, I'm glad to hear that the ship and all on board returned to port safely. Hopefully those who were terrified and upset but the situation will in time look back on their cruise and remember the good points and consider their experience with mother nature as a tale to tell their friends and children.

I just wanted to say that although it was rough sailing getting to port, it might have been the lesser of two evils. Has anyone else considered that the weather, and ultimately the sea conditions, may have been much worse if the ship had stayed put?

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My dad is a 24 year veteran of the the USNavy so I've heard stories of seas that will make you lay in the floor and beg for your mother. ((The North Sea and North Atlantic can change your perspective on life or so I hear.))
My DDad has spent most his working life on the North Sea (until he retired) and my DH still works out there and yes, it can be pretty exciting out there at times. In fact, the ships out on the North Sea experience winds of over 100mph almost every winter - and gale force winds are a regular occurence for us on land as well.

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Could a mistake have been made here? Sure.

Do we know a mistake was made here? Not at all.

Could the Captain have been fooled by that fickle temptress, The Sea? Sure.
I totally agree.

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I do agree that deciding to cruise during hurricane season comes with risks. However, the risks in my mind are risks that your plans may change(ports of calls, leaving and returning etc..) never that your life may be in danger(and regardless of what the captain said there were people on that ship that felt like their life was in danger!!!!)

I also agree that whatever decision Disney made some would be unhappy with it.
I guess as leisure sailors, most of us never even think about the worst case scenario while on our vacation cruises. Unfortunately things like this do happen no matter how much everyone tries to avoid them.

[Darwinsrule;46562193]Unfortunately storms/weather aren't predictable. Things slow down, you end up with some unexpected gusts/surges and very quickly things go from bad to 'oh crap'.[/QUOTE]

Too true.
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:28 PM   #72
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Lol unexpected surges ... This storm (hurricane) caught everyone by surprise, not like it was on tv or anything for the past week
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:43 PM   #73
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But, if you think about it, the Captain of the Concordia made a "mistake" too, using the logic here. And look what happened.
No, the captain of the Concordia didn't make a mistake, he chose to show off and attempted a maneouvere that he was incapable of carrying out. He did not consider the safety of his passengers or crew and abandoned ship when disaster struck.
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:45 PM   #74
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....Captain Tom is a very exprienced Master and knows just what to do and when.


and YES I do know what I am talking about , as a retired Merchant Marine Master, I would trust Captain Tom over an apparently frightened passenger.

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Old 10-27-2012, 02:55 PM   #75
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I was thinking of this cruise cause I was booked on it sometime ago but cancelled when the first Hawaii cruise was announced. If you guys think you had it bad for a few hours, try the first Hawaii cruise. For the first two sea days pools were closed. Seas were 18-20 feet constantly. Puke bags out in all the restrooms. The Wonder was Rocking and Rolling. I did not complain one bit. Why? I chose to take my vacation on the ocean. It happens. Last year on the Magic a freak storm came to PC the day we left last Oct. 8. Seas that first day were also in the 20 foot range. Again, no complaints from me cause I chose to vacation on the ocean. From what I understand on that cruise Captain John had a choice to make. Leave on time and have it be rough, or stay tied up at PC like carnival did. We left and I think it was the right choice. Carnival apparently according to the officers had hull damage by staying. Not sure how bad bit they did sail as well.

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