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Old 10-17-2012, 11:48 AM   #76
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You didn't offend me & I'm sorry if it sounded like you had. I'm just frustrated with some of the people on here who seem to be under the impression that the handicap stall is exclusively for wheelchair use and that my kids' needs aren't as legitimate as their's. I'm really sorry if I was rude
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:15 PM   #77
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Sorry I was just saying that you don't need to close the door on their babies in the regular stall. That was the point of the OP. Wedge the stroller in the doorway and don't use the handicap stall fora parking garage. Obviously if you as the parent need it, use it. Otherwise use common courtesy, and leave it available for someone who needs it.
??? Am I misunderstanding, or are you suggesting I leave the stall door open while I am attending to my private, ahem, feminine hygiene needs?

Because then those boys who genuinely have to be brought in the restroom (and I agree there are cases) might inadvertently see something their mamas don't want them to see. (And possibly be scarred for life )

Surely that's not what you are suggesting? How can that be more fair than a mom using a HA stall? It doesn't seem courteous at all to leave the door open. Yuck! But I must have misunderstood. Or maybe it's just me who's bothered by that idea.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:44 PM   #78
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This might sound a bit odd, but around here people leave the restroom doors open with the stroller in the open doorway essentially blocking the view.
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I was just saying that you don't need to close the door on their babies in the regular stall. That was the point of the OP. Wedge the stroller in the doorway and don't use the handicap stall fora parking garage.
Sorry, I must disagree! It is not acceptable to encourage anyone to give up whatever modicum of privacy is provided by closing a stall door in a public restroom! A baby stroller in no way replaces the privacy provided by a stall door.

Besides, your restrooms must be designed differently. Around here, there is barely enough space to fit my knees without bumping the door, to try and "wedge" a baby stroller in that space would never work. It would stick out far enough to block the narrow hallway outside the stall doors and limit access to stalls further down the row.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:50 PM   #79
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If you wedge in the stroller no one can really see anything. IfI am having feminine issues or bowel emergencies I would find a family lounge or companion door when I had a stroller with me.. I also am not all that private, (four babies kind of made me loose all sense of bodily embarrassment). After all men use Urinals out in te open or in Europe they urinate against a steel trough. To me thats more disgusting if your dh needs to haul your daughter in there!! do men's restroom have handicap stalls? Do they have these same problems?
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:53 PM   #80
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There are a few MK bathrooms whose HA stalls I have to leave the door open while entering with my scooter. They are about the same width as a regular stall, so there's no room to put your scooter in there. Lucky, they're at the end of the row, and not many people walk by, in terms of privacy.

One old bathroom is on the Town Square by City Hall, and the other (I think) is in the covered hallway between Adventureland and Frontierland, the hallway that comes out by LTT.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:54 PM   #81
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Sorry, I must disagree! It is not acceptable to encourage anyone to give up whatever modicum of privacy is provided by closing a stall door in a public restroom! A baby stroller in no way replaces the privacy provided by a stall door.

Besides, your restrooms must be designed differently. Around here, there is barely enough space to fit my knees without bumping the door, to try and "wedge" a baby stroller in that space would never work. It would stick out far enough to block the narrow hallway outside the stall doors and limit access to stalls further down the row.
Yes our restrooms must be designed differently. We have 3 to 4 in a row with handicap on the end. The regular stall is large enough for myself and my guide dog to fit in together. I Guess Disney bathrooms will shock my system a bit!
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:42 PM   #82
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If you wedge in the stroller no one can really see anything. IfI am having feminine issues or bowel emergencies I would find a family lounge or companion door when I had a stroller with me.. I also am not all that private, (four babies kind of made me loose all sense of bodily embarrassment). After all men use Urinals out in te open or in Europe they urinate against a steel trough. To me thats more disgusting if your dh needs to haul your daughter in there!! do men's restroom have handicap stalls? Do they have these same problems?
Around here, and in most of WDW, there is rarely another "family lounge or companion door" in the same general area. There are only a couple of "companion" restrooms in each park. So that would rarely be an option - agreed that when I had a baby stroller with me I avoided using the larger stall whenever possible. But it's not always possible and I don't see a stroller as equivalent to a stall door in terms of privacy.

We aren't talking about Europe...or 3rd world countries where people walk around half dressed and "do their business" in ditches. In the U.S., yes men's restrooms do have a larger accessible stall with grab bars, etc., just like the ladies room, and frequently at least one regular stall depending on the size of the restroom. And there should also be narrow privacy dividers between urinals so if the man steps right up nobody can see anything if walking past. I would guess the reason not as many men have the same "problems" with the larger stalls is that most men use the urinals anyway and even fewer take babies or young children in with them - though it's more common now than in previous decades.

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There are a few MK bathrooms whose HA stalls I have to leave the door open while entering with my scooter. They are about the same width as a regular stall, so there's no room to put your scooter in there. Lucky, they're at the end of the row, and not many people walk by, in terms of privacy.
I agree that this is far from an ideal situation for you or anyone else needing the larger stall with a mobility device. If a larger stall were available in these locations, I'm sure you would use that rather than leave it open for someone else. Which is essentially what PP was suggesting, that women with a baby stroller routinely leave a larger stall unused and just leave the door open to a regular stall with a baby stroller used to provide privacy. I don't consider that acceptable advice.

Obviously by this thread we've learned that there are many different types, styles, sizes of restrooms. Generally speaking, nobody should be made to feel they HAVE to use a smaller space when a more accommodating space is available and better suits his/her needs - whatever those needs may be.
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:06 PM   #83
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Around here, there is barely enough space to fit my knees without bumping the door,
Really? I'm 5'10" and I've never had that problem, even at WDW. When I was injured and needed help in the stall, both my adult sister and I fit comfortably in a regular stall, and neither of us are particularly petite. I would have no trouble at all fitting an umbrella stroller in a regular stall with me; it's only the ridiculously large ones that wouldn't go in. One or even two older children capable of standing would also be OK.
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:18 PM   #84
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??? Am I misunderstanding, or are you suggesting I leave the stall door open while I am attending to my private, ahem, feminine hygiene needs?

Because then those boys who genuinely have to be brought in the restroom (and I agree there are cases) might inadvertently see something their mamas don't want them to see. (And possibly be scarred for life )

Surely that's not what you are suggesting? How can that be more fair than a mom using a HA stall? It doesn't seem courteous at all to leave the door open. Yuck! But I must have misunderstood. Or maybe it's just me who's bothered by that idea.
No, it is not just you. Not a chance I'm doing that unless I absolutely have to (I would definitely use the accessible stall before doing that). And I would find it strange to walk into a public restroom and see someone else doing that (it wouldn't scar me for life, but I'd find it very weird).
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Old 10-17-2012, 03:25 PM   #85
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??? Am I misunderstanding, or are you suggesting I leave the stall door open while I am attending to my private, ahem, feminine hygiene needs?

Because then those boys who genuinely have to be brought in the restroom (and I agree there are cases) might inadvertently see something their mamas don't want them to see. (And possibly be scarred for life )

Surely that's not what you are suggesting? How can that be more fair than a mom using a HA stall? It doesn't seem courteous at all to leave the door open. Yuck! But I must have misunderstood. Or maybe it's just me who's bothered by that idea.
What do you think we did when handicapped stalls were not in existence. Exactly that, we pulled the stroller as fr as possible into the stall and the stall door stayed open. Even now there are handicapped stalls I can't get my wheelchair into and close the door let alone a standard stall. Whene my children were growing up I did not have the option of using a handicapped stall. We learned to cope with what was available. No changing tables either. If it had not been for ADA there would be no handicapped stalls for you to even have this convenience. Providing accessible stalls was done for those of us with handicaps and you reap the benefit and get an attitude when those who need the stalls complain that we can't use them when others take them in spite of regular stalls being available.
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If you wedge in the stroller no one can really see anything. IfI am having feminine issues or bowel emergencies I would find a family lounge or companion door when I had a stroller with me.. I also am not all that private, (four babies kind of made me loose all sense of bodily embarrassment). After all men use Urinals out in te open or in Europe they urinate against a steel trough. To me thats more disgusting if your dh needs to haul your daughter in there!! do men's restroom have handicap stalls? Do they have these same problems?
I have had three children, but it by no means made me lose my sense of bodily embarrassment in front of total strangers. There is NO way that I would leave a stall door open to other's eyes no matter the situation. I always used the larger stall with a stroller and shut the door. In fact, it wouldn't be considered having a lack of embarrassment to me, but actually just being crude!
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While I have pulled the stroller in front of me and left the door open due to it being crowded or no larger stall was there, I prefer to be able to wheel it in and close the door whenever possible.
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If it had not been for ADA there would be no handicapped stalls for you to even have this convenience. Providing accessible stalls was done for those of us with handicaps and you reap the benefit and get an attitude when those who need the stalls complain that we can't use them when others take them in spite of regular stalls being available.
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Isn't there a difference between not having access and instant access?
I have waited in line with mom's wheelchair for a person to finish then when our turn came so i transferred her- and this is someone who needs to go at a moments notice- she still got the space and bars she needs- just had to wait her turn.
It's great people fought for the larger stalls but can't people still wait for a turn?

* I know big difference between my stroke ridden mother who understands waiting and a child with autism who struggles with understanding holding bladder/waiting.

Not meaning to argue just think access is vital but does not mean instant access
I get more frustrated when pushing my students or mom and little shops have steps so they can't get in (like Niagara on the lake)
Having to wait for 2 mins for a mom in a bathroom is not a worry to me.
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Whene my children were growing up I did not have the option of using a handicapped stall. We learned to cope with what was available. No changing tables either. If it had not been for ADA there would be no handicapped stalls for you to even have this convenience. Providing accessible stalls was done for those of us with handicaps and you reap the benefit and get an attitude when those who need the stalls complain that we can't use them when others take them in spite of regular stalls being available.
Yes, exactly. You used them when you had no other choice. Now that there is a choice for a mom to also have some dignity while using the bathroom, you would deny it to her? I would hardly call asking for the same basic privacy as others "getting an attitude."

Obviously, if someone expressed an urgent need, I would give up my place in line whether they had a visible disability or not. I did it yesterday, so I can state this with confidence. And yes, I would give up my place in line to someone in a wheelchair. All I ask is that if I am already in the stall with my stroller, I not be guilt-tripped for wanting a little privacy while I go (or attend to other private needs). How is that an attitude?
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